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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Once a book is in E-book format, it's over. The pirates will get hold of it and there will little demand to purchase the book when it get be aquired for free.
Printed version still the best. And if book sellers are seeing a major decline in demand, this most likely the reason. |
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Rachmaninov Inner circle 1076 Posts |
The only way magic books can be printed again is through an annoted version, which adds value to the original text.
Even for new magic books, the market is narrower than ever. I have no idea how much copies an average run is, I would say 500/1000. |
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Douglas.M Elite user 465 Posts |
What about Print On Demand books? Wouldn't that bring the overhead down?
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2017, Rachmaninov wrote: Why must they be annotated? |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2017, Jerry wrote: I don't think so, the only ones getting pirated copies for free are broke kids who do not know any better or can't get their parent's to buy the books. they also probably get a lot more viruses than they do actual ebooks. Serious adult magicians such as myself, buy from the source and support the creators. I have seen many pirated versions come up in searches when looking for the printed books, however the names of the sites are all odd and I never bothered clicking on the links just to be safe. But I can afford the books so I do not have to. I also prefer printed copies as a collector of 37 years now, and I only buy ebooks if I have to, or as back ups. They also come in handy with the searching indexes. No serious, successful magician is downloading free ebooks from pirated sites anyway, and I can assure nothing will be "over" when those types of people do. Magic will continue on as it always has, and REAL magicians will continue buying from the source and supporting the creators. Those who make a living from magic such as myself still buy tons of books, and still look for printed books over ebooks, and only get them as needed if printed books cannot be found, or for the other reasons that I said. So as Rambo would say, "Nothing is over!" "You just don't turn it off." I will never stop buying printed books, and expensive OOP books as I am from the old-school and they easier on the eyes reading them in daylight than on PC. So both have their advantages and disadvantages. So usually I get both versions if possible.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2017, Rupert Pupkin wrote: Which is why they should just use a "print on demand" publisher which I also used to publish my own books years ago, or make an eBook at least. Costs you nothing except the cost of the book if you buy it and is printed once it is bought. You then get royalties if you sell it and a certain amount per sale like 80-85% which varies on all the sites. That would be better than no book at all, and keeping the information away from others because you don't want to pay for a reprint of many copies. But many publishers would rather do nothing, or want to sell them at 100% profit yet won't risk reprinting them. It is a tragedy that these great books go OOP and that the knowledge is no longer there for those who seek it out. So they need to either use a POD service, eBook, or sell the rights to others who are willing to publish them as stated. Letting them sit does no one any good, and wastes all the past effort that was put into making such a great book only to never be bought and read again; and only gotten for high prices used if you are lucky. High prices that I have paid many times just to get them back, or for the first time after searching for years being they were OOP and hard to find. Or at the very least put them in eBook form like so many others are. They were written to be read, not for the files to sit in a dark room somewhere untouched for years.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
I disagree wholeheartedly.
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
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On Dec 20, 2017, magicfish wrote: You disagree with what? Common sense and logic? That is nothing new, along with your 1-3 word posts that add nothing of value.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Dec 20, 2017, magicfish wrote: What's your feeling about availability of the classic texts?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
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On Nov 22, 2017, Chris wrote: Although I am a hardcore collector as I said, I am more concerned about having the "information" than worrying about what "edition" a book is. So I would be the reprint quickly. Sure I would love a first edition but if I can't get that I will take a reprint just so I have access to the material as I am a performer first and a collector second. I will take an eBook as I have many times if that is my last resort, or as a back up copy for traveling and to be able to search the indexes as I said. So I do like to have both. I have a ton of first editions and a lot of reprints and I only have so much room. But in the end I care more about the words inside than what is on the outside. And I am glad that some publishers do reprint them, or that eBooks are made by publishers such as yourself so at least I can have access to the information even though I prefer printed books. But the material inside is what is most important to me, first editions are a plus but I will be just as happy with a full reprint.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Dec 20, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote: What about them? Could you elaborate Jon? |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Dec 20, 2017, sirbrad wrote: Your posts are typically longer than 1-3 words, and of zero value. Your posts are worthless. Are you happy now I've returned your insult? |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Dec 21, 2017, magicfish wrote: What do you feel about the items available as ebooks? My perspective is that if we're going to build upon the works of inventors and innovators with sources cited - then it helps to make sure the sources are available. I recently enjoyed reading Walton's Card Warp, Elmsley's Four Card Trick, and the Searle's Cannibal Cards as published. On paper by the way .
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
Just to be fair, sirbrad's posts are usually longer than 3 words and add a lot to the discussion. They are definitely not zero-value posts.
My opinion is also that classic texts should be reprinted, of course I'm also considering from my own perspective. |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Thanks, my point was why make a statement and not elaborate on what you are disagreeing with? You may as well not even post. There is nothing really there that any one with any common sense would not agree with. Printed books are the best to have and eBooks are a good backup or substitute if no printed books are available. Regardless of the format though the information should always be available somehow. Magic has always had this issue of books going OOP and soaring to very high prices. But then you also have some titles that go OOP and are dirt cheap.
Some titles get more attention and popularity than others, and most want what they think they can't have; which also drives the price up even more on auction sites. I do not see this in any other hobby or as frequently only in magic. Most other OOP books are still around for a few dollars and some magic ones even as well as I said. So it is a mystery why some go out OOP and are in higher demand than others. But a lot of factors are involved, the quality of the book, the material, the author, if the author is till alive, popularity, demand, and more. If the author is still alive there is also a better chance of a reprint. But there are exceptions also where an author never reprinted a book and someone else got the rights quickly after they died and reprinted it. So you just never know, there are a lot of factors involved.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Dec 21, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote: I feel that not everything should be available electronically. I reject the term electronic preservation. And I don't like re-prints, although I don't begrudge any author reprinting his book nor anyone who purchases one. Thankyou for asking Jonathon. I enjoy respectful conversation. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Dec 21, 2017, SimonCard wrote: I was retaliating to his unwarranted attack. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Dec 21, 2017, sirbrad wrote: Another insult. I actually do have common sense. Thanks though. And I still disagree- wholeheartedly. That's ok isn't it? |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Back to the OP.
Go here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Vernon-Chro......VA5aPVsM Four volumes of Vernon available (26 Dec 2017). It is difficult, but possible to find Vernon books for a fair price. Keep searching and don't give into greedy collector's. |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
"Fair" is a relative term and based on how much one is willing to pay, how much they have to spend, and how badly one wants to buy a book. One may think $20 is fair, another may think that $500 is fair. I have high prices for books that I really wanted back and were OOP, but also not crazy prices either IMO. Although some others may think they are crazy. I paid $225 to get a mint copy of "Essential Dai Vernon" back and thought that was fair. But I have paid more than that for single books, huge OOP ones and sets mostly.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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