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Sounds like a good bet warren... Smile

I too enjoy the flexibility of use of TP, but it is a bit more challenging to do with dollar-size coins. Don't get me wrong, it's not impossible but the coins are a bit heavier and larger to hide without notice. Obviously depending upon your hands and your comfortability.

For this reason, I use half dollar size coins for coins across action as it's much easier and effective to pull off. And as you say, I use the dollar size coins to do my version of 3-Fly...definitely more visual IMHO. Smile

Chris Kenner once said something like, "People that use half dollars for 3-Fly, just don't get it," or something like that. Now, of course, the folks that use half dollars for it don't agree but such is life...Which brings us to, "To each his own." Smile
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Agreed, I think it's all about using the right tools for the job but I must admit magic done with the bigger coins is visual and very magical if and I do mean if it is performed well Smile
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Since it's being discussed, I thought I would offer the observation that a Morgan dollar is just a tiny fraction larger than my two middle fingers.

While this makes finger palm slightly more tricksy, it has the benefit, in my opinion, of making front and back palming (ala Downs) rather easier to manage.

I think that most advanced coin magicians look, (or should view), at holds as tools to be used when and where best applicable. I think that each magician should develop his own favorite means of locomotion for getting a coin from point "A" to "B" to "C"- and that not all holds serve every magician the same.

For instance, if you peruse Futagawa's quite lucid beginners tome "Introduction to Coin Magic", you see a preponderance for the use of what I call "clips" as holds- grasping coins by their edges betwixt fingers, rather than around a coin edge-grip style as used more often and regularly in Roth's later works. With Hay's mid-50's Handbook, there is a preponderance of Down's edge palming. None of these approaches of working is inherently better than the other- it just shows different approaches to the same problems. Few magicians use all of the means of "getting around" behind the scenes. Most magicians favor a handful of holds, and develop these few as much as possible. I suppose the ultimate coin magi can use these holds in both directions- certainly mid 20th century and earlier books on magic suggest that a magician learn to do this.

When one focuses on one particular hold, it's bound to lead to favoring another one which is easily maneuvered to from the initial position. So, there is lots of finger clipping directly to finger palming in Futagawa, whereas, for anyone edge palming, you are sure to go to fingertip rest as your next "spot" along the way in your journey to making your magic.

My point is, we as coin magi should always be looking at what tools we use in the big picture, and what it is we are trying to accomplish beyond one trick. We should have the goal of being able to integrate what we know into new tricks with ease. With all effects, we need to make as big a final impact as we possibly can, and use the holds, passes and coins at our disposal that best display the effect we wish to create. After all the efforts we put into the "behind the scenes" parts of learning to juggle circular bits of metal, surely we want the largest Ka-pow we can deliver to the audience at the climax of our magical presentation.
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On Feb 16, 2017, warren wrote:
Evikshin to quote you " A rule of thumb is to see if the width of the coin exceeds the width of your middle and ring finger. If it doesn't exceed, you are good, if it exceeds it, then you have issues with proper concealment.
Forgot where I read this, but I think it's true. A dollar coin just fractionally exceeds the width of my fingers, so I can make it work after lots of practice. "

The place you probably got this from was Kainoa Harbottle, with that in mind whilst using larger coins is good I think there's a lot of stuff you can do with smaller coins which you can't do with larger coins and visa versa of course.

I can see there being many pros/cons to such a guideline. Ponta's nonchalant concealment display at !@#$** p*** improves in appearance because the coins exceed the middle/third finger width. Similarly, b*** p*** is more natural, and Atsukawa's bullet propulsion requires the greater size. Also, consider the benefits to the retention burn from the larger surface area.

Concealment as dependent upon coin size seemingly runs afoul of jumbo coin work; obviously, I am not suggesting your reasoning was dogmatic, only offering to others that might not have fully formed beliefs that there are many advantages of the larger sizes.

For the other member's comment about Goshman/Tenkai pinch, with the dollar coin resting at 45 degrees simply requires more of a downward tilt of the hand,or take another step towards the spectator. I like Wolf's comment that after using dollars, halves feel like quarters.

P. S. Hi 1st post everybody;)
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