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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts 
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Very simple to reconstruct wouldn't touch it with a barge pole desperation stakes for a release inmho . As old as the hills just good that Wayne has finally settled the rift with David Penn . At least that's one good thing to come out of this Tarik 😊
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The great Gumbini Inner circle 3062 Posts
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If I'm not mistaken Larry Becker used bags like these in his Pirate piece he put together. Those bags are the best I've seen for this type of effect. All the same color inside and out. Amazing what you can get away with with these bags.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts
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It's a pretty pony release in all fairness Tarik 😊
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts
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Well if the spec doesn't freely select the result... as I suspected [as I couldn't see how that could work]
Then it's a lot of money, for a routine based on somebody else's effect, and a few bags Especially as the 'balls' version of this may be hilarious [hmm] but it is far inferior than a version that has the specs put their personal items into the bags... then the mentalist deduces whose item belongs to who |
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts
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Http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2py1h3
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DiceDaddy New user 5 Posts
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Thank you so much for that link. Ok, so we now have a full performance of the routine. The advertisement trailer for the product uses footage directly from this performance.
If this is what is being offered, it seems like it will be a wonderful routine, truly baffling. Now an interesting question. Lets suppose that the 'helper' is a stooge. Is that fair to put that footage into the trailer. I don't want to open the can of worms of 'Does the trailer truly reflect the trick', but, Wizard Product Review always gets on producers who make misleading trailers. When this routine gets released, I am sure someone here will post a review of the item. I look forward to seeing this, because if what is presented in the trailer is what you get, I am ready to make a purchase. |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts
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On Feb 15, 2017, DiceDaddy wrote: As I said - the spec being able to do this made it look amazing - but alas, I think it's unworkable - if you need an instant larry, moe, or curly So, the normal routine will be both more workable and a lot more impressive Do note you can buy this effect from other places - some places where the person who came up with the idea gets both credit and reward for your purchase I think here you are rewarding/paying for the snooker ball routine Watching it on the video, with a 'warmed up' audience - it doesn't seem like this is the best routine for this effect Unless of course I am wrong and the spec can freely choose, who gets which ball... but then that would be real magic wouldn't it? |
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sbays Inner circle Burbank, CA 1065 Posts
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It is pretty obvious what is going on here. I think this is fine if your goal is to make someone look good such as a CEO, person who hired you etc. But just remember, you will be exposing the secret to at least one person every time you do this. If your premise is being believable this might not be for you. But I cam also see this playing very strong for the rest of the audience. But it would be wise of you to choose an "assistant" who will not want to talk afterwards.
"Opportunity may only knock once, but temptation leans on the doorbell."
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts
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On Feb 15, 2017, sbays wrote: But, there are so many better ways to make them look good I think [as I have said before] the orignal routine [i.e. NOT the dobson one] is far better Snooker balls is a big step back, and the spec being able to choose [unless I am wrong and this is real magic, and they can freely select] is an awful way to present this effect If you note how Higgins reacts with the £20 notes, and the swap of the ball for the note at the end - [I only watched this clip once] - it looked rehearsed But also it didn't seem very funny or good Yes, for a TV studio [with a warm up guy, and cue cards] it may get 6 rounds of applause ... but I would rather do a great effect that people think about for a long time after, then get the clap - err that came out wrong |
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sbays Inner circle Burbank, CA 1065 Posts
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[quote]On Feb 15, 2017, The Duster wrote:
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On Feb 15, 2017, sbays wrote: "But, there are so many better ways to make them look good" But I wasn't talking about better ways. I am speaking about this routine specifically. But yes I certainly would not do this this way to accomplish it.
"Opportunity may only knock once, but temptation leans on the doorbell."
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Suffolk Veteran user 400 Posts
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I was disappointed with this.
It's the same as other versions of Fogel's Second Sight as described above. All that's been added is a method for signaling a confederate (NOTE! A confederate - Not an instant stooge) but you could use any signalling method. At £80 without snooker balls (Colin Rose's version with balls is £75) I'd say it's about £30 over priced. That said...... I've created a way to do the effect as shown without a confederate and Ill be trying it out for a paying, public audience this weekend. |
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Martin.Lester Inner circle 1015 Posts
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On Feb 21, 2017, Suffolk wrote: And any Crediting to Fogel on the DVD/Download ? |
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Suffolk Veteran user 400 Posts
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Yes. It's mentioned in passing.
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Bartelli Elite user Belgium 403 Posts
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On Feb 21, 2017, Suffolk wrote: Where does Colin Rose's version say that it comes with balls? Did I miss something in the ad?
Mentalist / Mindreader Bart Nijs
www.bartnijs.be Belgian Mentalist / Mindreader Bart Nijs Some webapps for mentalists |
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Suffolk Veteran user 400 Posts
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On Feb 21, 2017, Bartelli wrote: My mistake. It doesn't. They are both over priced then. £75-80 is too much for marked bags. The concept of marking things so that you can identify them through pseudo psycomatry is available in dozens of other places at a fraction of the cost. |
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Bartelli Elite user Belgium 403 Posts
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Okay, no problem. If one of them came with the balls, I would have considered it.
Mentalist / Mindreader Bart Nijs
www.bartnijs.be Belgian Mentalist / Mindreader Bart Nijs Some webapps for mentalists |
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Roslyn Inner circle UK 3405 Posts
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Isn't the Detection Bags by Leo Smetsers and Alakazam Magic basically the same thing as Spectrumalist?
They credit Fogel in the ad copy so based on that I'm assuming it's the same idea. If it is the same type of thing then at £30 instead of £80 one may prefer it. I think the Smetsers bags are smaller and a different material. Anyway, here's the link for those interested: http://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-Detect......ers.html
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Suffolk Veteran user 400 Posts
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On Feb 21, 2017, Roslyn wrote: Yeah. Pretty much. The World Magic version also comes with a large ungimmicked sixth bag and a code to use with a confederate. £30 feels about the right pricing for this. |
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broothal Elite user Europe 448 Posts
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It's basically the same as this: http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/my-preciou......gqDsrKUk
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JackMagic Inner circle 1987 Posts
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On Feb 21, 2017, Roslyn wrote: So basically if it was not bought out by WMS it would be called a knock off And an expensive one at that Must agree £30 is right price for this effect |
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