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Roslyn
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Cliff,

When Magic Goes Wrong is one of those compilation shows that's dead cheap to make because it uses other's footage.

It was a three-hour plus marathon of a show that made up an entire afternoon of magic on the channel when it was first aired. It ran alongside a Penn and Teller show and a TV special I think. I don't remember all that many EAs on it. Maybe 30-minutes worth, possibly a few more. Most of the show was showing magic tricks not working. Tbh, most of the show was extremely boring to watch. The escapology section was the most interesting, although even that started to get a little tedious after a while. Those EAs I remember appearing were Shahid Malik, Antony Britton, Alan Alan, the US chap who got dragged behind the car a few years ago (I'm sorry I forget his name), I think Spencer Horseman and also Joe Burris (The Amazing Joe) were shown too.

I know Ken and others don't think that showing things going wrong is a good idea. Personally I feel it strengthens the overall perception of escapology as something that is genuine and could end in disaster. Just telling a modern audience that 'such and such' could happen isn't enough. The internet generation is used to seeing it happen, and even then they'll cry fake if they suspect fancy editing has been used.

I see showing failure in escapology the same as showing a montage of people getting the smash and stab wrong before performing the smash and stab or dropping a knife before successfully juggling them. If the audience thinks the outcome is inevitable then why would they want to watch it? Escapology suffers from this idea that the performer will always get out. Of course there are ways of making the performance look like a close shave, and that can be exciting. But its only exciting if people believe it genuinely was close and the only way to do that, in my opinion, is to convince them that sometimes things go wrong.

With regards to Bigelow, I loved his full view stuff. And especially The Doors of Death. It was an exciting piece that I believed. Part of that belief (at least for me) came from the evidence he had for past failures. How true those failures were was known only to himself. I never questioned them, I had no reason to. But they worked for me. They really pulled me in to his performance and I bought every word.
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Cliff, I have struggled too – people read the articles but don’t seem to respond or get involved!
Riley mentioned that Facebook may have taken over, and to some extent I think he’s right! Its easier to post, share photos and videos and actually looks and feels better.

Someone also mentioned that the group isn’t friendly, I agree, I see comments slating people rather than assisting or giving people advice, this in turn as probably made quite a few people think twice about posting anything for the fear of being ridiculed.
I’ve just returned from the Blackpool convention and it was great speaking to people from all walks of life and a variety of interests with no !@#$%iness of jealousy involved, no one cared who people were – we were all there for one thing – have fun and socialise.

So to answer your question, I think this forum needs to get back to being an escapology forum, inform people of where we all are, new projects, details of shows, lectures, even pass on some of the older historic information so that new members can get an insight into some of the escapes that the older members have performed and been involved in.

Let’s keep the religious comments and moaning about TV shows and TV celebrities for another forum! Concentrate on being positive and keep the negativity out.
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