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On Mar 17, 2017, Pop Haydn wrote:
Have you guys not been paying attention? He has studied Erdnase for a WHOLE YEAR! Why hasn't anyone else ever tried that?


I actually spat beer across my desk when I read that. That is pretty much my summing up of guys like this. Now, if Michael Vincent announced he was releasing an annotated Erdnase......
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Have you guys not been paying attention? He has studied Erdnase for a WHOLE YEAR! Why hasn't anyone else ever tried that?


Possibly it is because we have better things to do with our time and much of what is needed from Erdnase can be gotten from the first one or two readings.

I know some ascribe a higher level of learning in Erdnase and there is more to the book that one does not grasp from its initial reading, however that higher meaning eludes me. I think it is more in the imagination of the beholder.

I thought I understood it pretty well at 13 years of age when I first read it. Upon returning to it from time to time with a greater background and understanding of what gambling and finger flicking was all about, I still found I got most of it from my initial readings. Not all, but most.

Of course, Madison's claim is obviously all part of his marketing. To have to spend a year studying Erdnase would ascribe the intelligent of a muskrat to the supposed "student."
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On Mar 17, 2017, Pop Haydn wrote:

Have you guys not been paying attention? He has studied Erdnase for a WHOLE YEAR! Why hasn't anyone else ever tried that?


Possibly it is because we have better things to do with our time and much of what is needed from Erdnase can be gotten from the first one or two readings.

I know some ascribe a higher level of learning in Erdnase and there is more to the book that one does not grasp from its initial reading, however that higher meaning eludes me. I think it is more in the imagination of the beholder.

I thought I understood it pretty well at 13 years of age when I first read it. Upon returning to it from time to time with a greater background and understanding of what gambling and finger flicking was all about, I still found I got most of it from my initial readings. Not all, but most.

Of course, Madison's claim is obviously all part of his marketing. To have to spend a year studying Erdnase would ascribe the intelligent of a muskrat to the supposed "student."


Its a religious argument. Personally, I agree with you. I think Royal Road and Expert Card present a much cleaner and easier to understand read. I tend to find my self going back to those for basic refresh over Erdnase.
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...It’s a religious argument. Personally, I agree with you. I think Royal Road and Expert Card present a much cleaner and easier to understand read. I tend to find myself going back to those for basic refresh over Erdnase.


Good point. Erdnase has almost become a "religion" to some in the magic and demo community, but certainly not among gamblers and hustlers, i.e., those that actually are out there getting the money. Most hustlers have never heard of Erdnase and the few that have seen it usually have an attitude akin to, "Are you kidding me." But still, for magicians and demo guys, it has considerable initial learning value, was a first and a breakthrough for card table and card trick manipulation and a must read.

Although this is a gambling/cheating related BB, I personally think that Expert Card Technique is perhaps the finest and most practical book ever written on card magic by manipulation, with some excellent card table moves included. I don't think it has an equal in that regard.

The Royal Road to Card Magic was one of my first books on card tricks when I was teenager and as I recall it was an exceptional book and probably a classic for the budding "cardster."

Hugard and Braue and certainly Erdnase deserve a debt of gratitude from all of us that aspire to card manipulative excellence but alas, if it is not on video nowadays most millennials won't even look at it.
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There is so much great knowledge that millennials pass on becasue the videos were made in the VHS days and just updated to DVDs. A good portion of them avoid printed material altogether.

Personally, I think Allan Ackerman's Erdnase is by far the best video take on the subject. For a straight print take, I think the "Annotated Erdanse" by Darwin Ortiz is the best.
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I am not an educated fellow. I learned from hustlers and I while none of us could read or write we could all count. Personally, I think you should forget all these magic books and DVDs. Smile
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I am not an educated fellow. I learned from hustlers and I while none of us could read or write we could all count. Personally, I think you should forget all these magic books and DVDs. Smile


i enjoy them too much! Part of the enjoyment is chasing the knowledge.
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Chasing the money is fun. A high stakes professional will befriend and invite a whale from the casino to play at the spiel. Then using the whale as bait, he will build the game around him. The whale will drop a million year and be happy to be part of an exclusive little gentlemen’s club. Should the spiel be raided, it is just a private party between personal friends having a little after dinner fun. There is no need to cheat old boy. Smile
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Chasing the money is fun. A high stakes professional will befriend and invite a whale from the casino to play at the spiel. Then using the whale as bait, he will build the game around him. The whale will drop a million year and be happy to be part of an exclusive little gentlemen’s club. Should the spiel be raided, it is just a private party between personal friends having a little after dinner fun. There is no need to cheat old boy. Smile

But I don't gamble.
I only perform magic.
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I know ways of making money with magic that you have never heard of. Charity, Fat Cats and Magicians; qui bono?


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