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RevConfused New user Yorkshire, UK 65 Posts |
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On Mar 17, 2017, Pop Haydn wrote: I actually spat beer across my desk when I read that. That is pretty much my summing up of guys like this. Now, if Michael Vincent announced he was releasing an annotated Erdnase...... |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Mar 17, 2017, Pop Haydn wrote: Possibly it is because we have better things to do with our time and much of what is needed from Erdnase can be gotten from the first one or two readings. I know some ascribe a higher level of learning in Erdnase and there is more to the book that one does not grasp from its initial reading, however that higher meaning eludes me. I think it is more in the imagination of the beholder. I thought I understood it pretty well at 13 years of age when I first read it. Upon returning to it from time to time with a greater background and understanding of what gambling and finger flicking was all about, I still found I got most of it from my initial readings. Not all, but most. Of course, Madison's claim is obviously all part of his marketing. To have to spend a year studying Erdnase would ascribe the intelligent of a muskrat to the supposed "student." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Why should we take advice on sex from the pope?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
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On Mar 17, 2017, Cagliostro wrote: Its a religious argument. Personally, I agree with you. I think Royal Road and Expert Card present a much cleaner and easier to understand read. I tend to find my self going back to those for basic refresh over Erdnase.
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Mar 17, 2017, Lempereur wrote: Good point. Erdnase has almost become a "religion" to some in the magic and demo community, but certainly not among gamblers and hustlers, i.e., those that actually are out there getting the money. Most hustlers have never heard of Erdnase and the few that have seen it usually have an attitude akin to, "Are you kidding me." But still, for magicians and demo guys, it has considerable initial learning value, was a first and a breakthrough for card table and card trick manipulation and a must read. Although this is a gambling/cheating related BB, I personally think that Expert Card Technique is perhaps the finest and most practical book ever written on card magic by manipulation, with some excellent card table moves included. I don't think it has an equal in that regard. The Royal Road to Card Magic was one of my first books on card tricks when I was teenager and as I recall it was an exceptional book and probably a classic for the budding "cardster." Hugard and Braue and certainly Erdnase deserve a debt of gratitude from all of us that aspire to card manipulative excellence but alas, if it is not on video nowadays most millennials won't even look at it. |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
There is so much great knowledge that millennials pass on becasue the videos were made in the VHS days and just updated to DVDs. A good portion of them avoid printed material altogether.
Personally, I think Allan Ackerman's Erdnase is by far the best video take on the subject. For a straight print take, I think the "Annotated Erdanse" by Darwin Ortiz is the best.
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I am not an educated fellow. I learned from hustlers and I while none of us could read or write we could all count. Personally, I think you should forget all these magic books and DVDs.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
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On Mar 20, 2017, tommy wrote: i enjoy them too much! Part of the enjoyment is chasing the knowledge.
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Chasing the money is fun. A high stakes professional will befriend and invite a whale from the casino to play at the spiel. Then using the whale as bait, he will build the game around him. The whale will drop a million year and be happy to be part of an exclusive little gentlemen’s club. Should the spiel be raided, it is just a private party between personal friends having a little after dinner fun. There is no need to cheat old boy.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
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On Mar 21, 2017, tommy wrote: But I don't gamble. I only perform magic.
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I know ways of making money with magic that you have never heard of. Charity, Fat Cats and Magicians; qui bono?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Here is a decent review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjX5QXF3nEg I don't agree with most of it, but at least he points out that Madison admits it is really NOT an Erdnase teaching project, but Mechanic V2. I have seen the video, Madison insults Erdnase throughout. Makes you wonder why he did in the first place. It's a grift, bait and switch. |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
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On Mar 28, 2017, Jerry wrote: I think I just might agree with your assessment. Erdanse x Ackerman was a direct interpretation of the entire book, sleight for slight. If Erdanse x Madison is just Mechanic 2, I think a ton of customers would be P.O.ed.
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Madison admits on HIS video. Not my opinion or review.
He flat out says, "If anyone is still watching this, that's how I really feel about this project, just Mechanic volume two in disguise" - Palming 11:50 Most of the time when he mentions Erdnase it is when he insults him. So, he will brig up a move in EATCT, state how it's stupid and worthless, and he may or may not demonstrate it, either way he goes into a card move that shows how he is better. I'll give him a little credit for admitting he lied. Artie had it right, pass on this and just get Ackeman DVD set. And Ackerman is WAY BETTER than Madison! |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Apr 1, 2017, Jerry wrote: Yes, but does Ackerman have all those tattoos? One has to compare apples to apples not apples to oranges. Without the head to toe tattoos, Ackerman looses considerable credibility with Madison fans. |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
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On Apr 1, 2017, Jerry wrote: My copy of Erdanse x Ackerman is worth every dime of the $110 I paid for it. 10 DVDs, including a nifty neato history of Erdanse by Academy Award winning Actor Ernest Borgnine. I believe it was one of the last voice over projects he worked on before he died. For those who do not know, he was also the voice of Mermaid Man on Spongebob Sqare Pants, opposite Tim Conway, who vocies the sidekick Barnacle Boy!
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Ackerman is BETTER than Madison!
Totally agree on money well spent. Hell, Magic Fakers James Wesley EATCT project is BETTER than Madison! Yeah, everyone forgot about that one. |
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Lempereur New user 85 Posts |
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On Apr 11, 2017, Jerry wrote: I have that one also, but I did not want to mention it!
Cordially Yours,
Jim Rose |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
Just got the email that this is back for sale. Who is that 'random Derek' though?
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Peterson Regular user 159 Posts |
The horse is dead.
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