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In looking for purely hypnosis based shows, all I ever find is comedy hypnosis.

I know folks like Keith Barry, James Brown, and Derren Brown, all mix hypnosis in with their shows, but I'm wondering if there is someone out there that does a full stage show of hypnosis without being the 'standard' comedy hypnosis (which I am, quite frankly, rather bored with)
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So you want a full stage show with what as "entertainment" exactly?

While I am certain you, and possibly dozens of people find the process entertaining, the public really does not.
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I'm not looking for folks to help me write the show at this time. I'm already working on that (And have been for some time).

What I'm wondering is if there is anyone who's doing this already.

Hypnosis can be used to create some really entertaining scenarios, we all know this. So why does it seem like everyone who does a full show defaults to comedy?

Surely comedy isn't the ONLY way to entertain with hypnosis.
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I don't think that you have seen the right hypnosis shows.

A good one will have FAR more elements in it that just comedy. That is the attraction of them in the first place. Sure comedy is a big part, but done correctly it covers a vast spectrum.

I freely admit that using the words "done correctly " does not cover as many as it should.

Plus it is about what the public WANTS to see. If you finish your no comedy hypnosis shows and the public wants it you will be very busy.
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Entirely possible. I do not often go out to shows because I, too frequently, end up feeling like I have wasted money when I do so. I've only seen a couple hypnosis shows in person and they were very cookie cutter. Like, checklist style. Laughter Police? Check. Butts pinched? Check. Volunteer is a celebrity? Check. Volunteers see celebrity in audience? Check. Those volunteers ask for the signature of that celebrity? Check. Fishing trip? Check. You've lost tons of money? Check. Dance competition? Check. You can only speak Martian? Check.

Videos online show the same routines. I've spent hours and hours looking for shows that show stuff other than what everyone seems to do and there's really just not that much variety that I can find. I am hoping I just haven't looked in the right places so if there's any recommendations for shows that are able to be seen online (Or that travel to southern PA) I'd be happy to hear those suggestions.
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Here is an idea. DON'T look for originality online. Seriously.

Yep you have not seen the right shows.

BUT the more important question is probably what exactly do YOU think you are going to bring that is so much better? Because I have had the problem if seeing so many who thought they were going to do so much better who failed miserably.
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When you are as isolated as I am, it's the internet or nothing. Every show I can locate within 3 hours' drive is basically what I've already described. Again, any suggestions for names of shows that I should look for will be welcome.
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Hope his show was better than his arguing skills!
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On Mar 14, 2017, WitchDocChris wrote:
When you are as isolated as I am, it's the internet or nothing. Every show I can locate within 3 hours' drive is basically what I've already described. Again, any suggestions for names of shows that I should look for will be welcome.


So the real problem is you live iv an isolated area. You should have lead with that.
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There is no such thing as a non comedy show. Although a good show should really have other elements within it including mystery, anticipation, and amazement. A non comedy show is really more of a "demonstration" which I have done in the past in various contexts. Mainly small groups of business people where I integrated it into talks about personal development or marketing etc.

Hypnosis shows when you boil it right down are about controlling and triggering emotional states within the participants to entertain the audience. The first thing is that never really come across in a recording it is a live event really. The other thing is that shows become boring if you do enough of them or watch enough of them quite quickly. It really is limited by half a dozen magnified emotional responses. Having said that the really good hypnotists know how to milk it and play the hypnotees off each other and can take it to a higher level. The run of the mill just get the people on stage "to do things".

It really is about finding great "hypnotic personalities". A good hypnotist is skilled in finding them and making the most of them. From the point of view of the public hypnosis shows are something you go see on a very rare occasion apart from the very few that become obsessed by them. Chris is probably falling into the category of becoming bored by watching too many.
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Nobody could do the 3 hour show today. I don't care who they are.

Fact is they were not at all uncommon and in reality were the rule not the exception.
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It really is about finding great "hypnotic personalities". A good hypnotist is skilled in finding them and making the most of them. From the point of view of the public hypnosis shows are something you go see on a very rare occasion apart from the very few that become obsessed by them. Chris is probably falling into the category of becoming bored by watching too many.


I think I'm pretty atypical in that I have never had an interest in a comedy hypnosis show. As soon as I realized that it was just going to be a bunch of people on stage being encouraged to act like fools (Which was pretty quickly) I was done. It just isn't interesting to me.

I find it difficult to believe that the only way to be entertaining with something as powerful as hypnosis is to be funny.

sortout - Thanks for the recommendation. I can't find anything of him actually performing, but I'll keep an eye out.

It seems I'll just have to figure it out myself, then.
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I think there may be a misunderstanding here. This thread is an attempt to research, nothing more. I am looking for someone who does a full show of hypnosis that isn't comedy, simply to see if someone else is doing this and to see if I could learn anything about show structure and such from that.

I am not saying that performers should stop doing comedy hypnosis, and I'm not saying that audiences should stop attending comedy hypnosis. I have no interest in performing or attending a comedy hypnosis show, but that's just me.

So I am afraid your statement confuses me, Danny, as I don't really see a problem at all here. I will simply continue developing my show in a way that I feel is satisfying to perform and entertaining to audiences.
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It really is about finding great "hypnotic personalities". A good hypnotist is skilled in finding them and making the most of them. From the point of view of the public hypnosis shows are something you go see on a very rare occasion apart from the very few that become obsessed by them. Chris is probably falling into the category of becoming bored by watching too many.


I think I'm pretty atypical in that I have never had an interest in a comedy hypnosis show. As soon as I realized that it was just going to be a bunch of people on stage being encouraged to act like fools (Which was pretty quickly) I was done. It just isn't interesting to me.

I find it difficult to believe that the only way to be entertaining with something as powerful as hypnosis is to be funny.

sortout - Thanks for the recommendation. I can't find anything of him actually performing, but I'll keep an eye out.

It seems I'll just have to figure it out myself, then.



I can sit in a bar on a bus or airoplane with complete strangers and entertain them for hours just talking about hypnosis not rven having to do any. I can hold business people for hours and even days during trainings. I have never had much of a problem "entertaining" people. But within the context of a show people are looking for comedy. It should still have all the other elements. But that's what people pay to see. Demonstrations of the "power" of hypnosis are even more limited than than the show format and without the skill to entertain are quite boring even more so. In both cases these are just structures with which to deliver the mechanics. Being "entertaining" is totally different skill altogether seperate from hypnosis. Not all hypnotists are entertaining I am afraid. If you can't already hold people and be entertaining socially chances are you won't be the best at hypnosis shows either.
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Danny I am not arguing with you. The US is probably different to the UK in many ways. My shows were done in the late evening so there were no other shows after. Its not a measuring contest. Just pointing out hypnosis shows can be extended and can hold audiences for a longer time period if they are structured right. Whether its the right thing to do or not is another issue. There used to be vibrant club scene here in the UK and you were expected to do an hour usually. Anyone who paid theater price tickets expected something bigger. So theatre shows had to be bigger and better than club shows. And the times I extended the time a bit longer were the ones where things were exceptional on the night. The theatre owners were happy to get the extra bar takings over and above the takings. I think times have changed with regards to theatres. They tend to be a part of a big chain and are now resricted by central offices. If I remember last time I saw Derren |brown it was at least two hours show with an intermission. Also the bigger shows in these days were highly paid so I didn't mind. Infact I always hired the venues myself and it was in my interest to keep them full as possible by giving more.
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Not unless you do actually give more. Ive seen shows that last an hour by top performers. Ive seen shows that last two hours by top performers. The longer shows are always by far better in my experience. Its not about the time its about the structure and content. Extending the time just for the sake of it I would agree.I am talking about comedians as well as hypnotists. In most cases if they aregood two hours is expected and the norm for a theater show over here. I know if I had done one hour shows in theaters back then they would not have been so successful.

I don't think it is a complete misunderstanding Its a different point of view. Like I said I always prefer two hour shows when I go see a top comedian. Are you sayiong that ALL shows in the theater only last an hour in the US? If so then there is a cultural difference too.

I remember in my youth seeing Reveen the Canadian hypnotist. His show also lasted a couple of hours with an intermission. Barry Sinclaire did too. Paul Mckenna, Ian St Claire, Peter Powers and Andrrew Newton to name a few Ive seen all did a two hour show. And it was not like an hour show stretched out. They had a structure and allowed for things you can't do in an hour long show.
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When did I say any show lasted an hour?

I am saying of one equates length of show with quality it is a gross misunderstanding of what entertainment actually is.
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No one said quality was based on time. What I said a club show vs a theater show meant the latter had to be bigger and better and part of that was an expectation of a coup;e of hours performance. In order to pull that off you need a specific approach and structure. You also have a lot more people in whivch to do it with. I prefer 2 hours of "entertainment" than one hour provided those hours are both entertaining. I have already said that being entertaining is a different skill than being able to do hypnosis and you need both. To do a 2 hour show and pull it off you need the structure to do so also.

I get it that where you perform its not the norm and is something you will never need or desire to do.
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Having seen both Paul Goldin and Barry Sinclair performing I have to disagree with Sortout. Barry was by far the better performer. I don't know how much either knew about hypnosis, but I suspect rather less than they let on! I found Paul's performance manipulative and vaguely unpleasant. Barry always struck me as a more honest performer. He is still gigging regularly; I caught a show of his only two weeks ago, and he is still a master showman.

As to WitchDocChris's question, Chris, you need to check out the work of Paul Voodini, particularly his book Midnight Side of the Mind. Some wonderful routines there that might be what you are interested in. I have seen him doing this live, and it is fantastic hypnotic entertainment without being funny in any way.
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As to WitchDocChris's question, Chris, you need to check out the work of Paul Voodini, particularly his book Midnight Side of the Mind. Some wonderful routines there that might be what you are interested in. I have seen him doing this live, and it is fantastic hypnotic entertainment without being funny in any way.


Thanks Tony! I am well familiar with Paul's work, and I think I have the majority of his published material. Last year at ECSS I was honored when he told me my performance was the closest to his own work that he'd ever seen another performer do. He also gave a very favorable review to my book, Psycho Seance, but that is another topic for another thread.
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All that Chris is asking is if anyone is doing a show in a non-traditional form. And it raises the question of what can be done in a show using trance beside the traditional comic beats and psychological seance work?
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The main stumbling block is that in order to do drama or whatever with hypnosis you need to be a talented dramatic actor. Otherwise it comes off as simply a hack experience and one ends up getting laughed at anyhow.

Part of the problem with MOST hypnosis shows is the same holds true of comedy. But laughs tend to carry one past the problem.

If only a guy was doing something like this every so often in New York.
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I guess it depends. I would imagine a psychological seance show would attract a different type of audience. I never really thought of a seance type show as being a "hypnosis" show. I would've thought it would fall into mentalism or bizzarre magic that would use a number of techniques as well as perhaps hypnosis. If it was a really theatrical show then yes great acting skills would be needed. However I have found in the past when I did a few parties doing Tarot etc these people were the easiest to "entertain". It goes back to what I was saying earlier being able to entertain is a different skill to being able to do hypnosis. I think you could pull this off without being a great actor just watch Derren Brown or old footage of Uri Geller. They aren't great actors they just "act as if" what they are doing is real. Just pretend it is for real and be yourself. Its when you go over board and ham it up it appears silly.

Tony mentioned Paul Voodini. If Chris gives this ago It would be great if he lets us know how it goes. I hope he gives. it ago and reports back
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As I mentioned in this post, I have read most of Voodini's work and I use it regularly.

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Thanks Tony! I am well familiar with Paul's work, and I think I have the majority of his published material. Last year at ECSS I was honored when he told me my performance was the closest to his own work that he'd ever seen another performer do. He also gave a very favorable review to my book, Psycho Seance, but that is another topic for another thread.


Hypnotic seance work is a specialty of mine. I have done it many times. It attracts people who are more 'serious' about the concepts of seance, and also people who are into Victorian stuff. The performance that Paul was complimenting last year, was a hypnotic/suggestion seance routine where the subject was contacted by, received some messages from, and was eventually partially possessed by, a "spirit entity".

As Todd put so succinctly - what I am looking for is a show that isn't like the common shows out there. I have already begun building my show, which is based around the powers of the mind and trying to unlock potential - but I am always looking for inspiration for texture, drama, and an all around better show. Hence why I was asking if anyone had recommendations for other performers.
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I guess the sort of arrogant (At least gore it came off.) statement about being bored with traditional hypnosis shows was not necessary.

You come into a forum with those exact people and drop that first club off the tee and are shocked at the result.
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As for how it can be done there are 2 very important things to keep in mind.

First is that you have to sell it properly. It is all in the sale. Ticket sales I mean. If you have the wrong audience for the I don't care what structure you build it will die badly. That is the key to the whole thing.

Second once you have them it is very easy to go down that path. As a matter of fact it might be easier than a traditional show as that audience seems to want to be involved in that and their belief system is pretty well in line with where you are going anyhow. It is easier to take someone where they already want to go. This crowd fixes that issue. With the right marketing it would be almost universal. That is an advantage.

Marketed correctly those who show up woo be predisposed to being entertained by that process. Another big hurdle gone.

Only real would be is the market big enough of a segment to make money or do you have the money to sustain it until it is?
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Hypnotic seance work is a specialty of mine.


Other than Voodini (whose work I also love), can you cite some resources for hypnotic seance work?
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The list of folks who have influenced me the most are: Voodini, Jerome Finley, Bill Montana, Anthony Jacquin, Mike Mandel. I'll send you a PM regarding the seance work as I feel that's drifting from the purpose of this particular forum.
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