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It was interesting to see an old-timer like Jack explain the gaffs he used and his stories from a time gone by. As mentioned by Jack, casino gambling, which is almost omnipresent nowadays, has replaced many of the type games he worked; still he provided a wealth of information to many who have no experience or knowledge of those times or how card and dice cheating was and is actually done under fire. Magic tricks and magician "gambling" demos are not the same as this.

Since I came from the same era, all I can say is times have changed greatly - in fact it is almost unimaginable. Back in the day, "capable" guys (people who actually could get the money), would not tip or give the right time of day to anyone unless that person was also capable or part of the scuffling community. If you were a legit guy, a working stiff or anyone who was not a hustler, you were fair game and just another chump to be taken off and that included magicians and card tricksters, no disrespect meant. In fact, some hustlers specialized in taking off other hustlers and half smarts or making a "cross-play" on anyone with larceny.

While I certainly can't speak for Jack, I would surmise if he were not 80 years old and "retired," if he were still physically and mentally able to do rough and tumble hustling, and the type opportunities he flourished in were still available, I doubt he would be tipping his mitt to anyone in the magician/demo community or doing a lecture like this. No disrespect meant to him or anyone on this board by saying this but that is just my opinion. It seems like much of the bygone day stories, "moves" and techniques have moved into the realm of the "gambling" demonstrator and magician field.

His comments that casino gambling has changed things are spot on and the clam bakes and Vegas nights hustling are relics of the past. Also, rough and tumble hustling is a world of its own and not the only way to hustle. As Jack says, you have to start out young to do rough and tumble hustling because as you get older, you just can't switch over to that form of hustling if you have not done it before. You can't take the occasional fights/beatings, risks and so forth and you have wisely lost some of the wildness, daring and "heart" necessary for that type hustling. Plus, paying "tribute" money to mob guys, like the Patriarka crime family was a fact of life, at least according to a couple of cheats I met from the Providence, RI area. It was dangerous stuff and pretty much was an accepted way of life back then.

Casino hustling, beating big games with doctors, lawyers, business men and the like is somewhat different from much of the hustling Jack discussed. In fact, you often have to have a good or legitimate "front" and 'credentials" and sometimes be part of a well to do social group to play with these type people, at least in private games.

One thing I respect about Jack is he is not apologetic about his past or what he did. He was part of a certain environment and he did what he had to do to survive and make a good living. No nonsense or sickening recriminations here. Hustlers really don't look at the morality of cheating people. They know they are stealing, most know it is ethically "wrong" but hey, that is what they do...a guy has to get out and "earn" and make a living, doesn't he? End of story. Some cheaters refer to each other, tongue in cheek, as thieves when talking among themselves, and let's face it, most people really can't make the money successful hustlers make by working 9 to 5 as a working stiff. Plus for many the excitement of stealing and taking off the chumps, including casinos, is almost as good as sex, or in some cases, perhaps even better.

I would also think that getting the respect and accolades for his ability is a new experience for him and probably a "trip" in and of itself. However, he is giving the broad picture, an expose so to speak, and only indirectly alluding to the grift sense, complexity and "feel" involved - reading the players and the situation, knowing what to use, the where, when, and why, in addition to the how (or moves), which is really too subtle to convey although these are some of the most important aspects to successful play. That takes experience under fire, really can't be conveyed very well to non-hustlers and is mostly unimportant to most watching this lecture. They just want to see the moves and hear the stories, which is fair enough, so they can bandy around what they have learned and convey their "knowledge" to their friends and associates while perhaps doing some magic tricks and demos. Since they don't hustle themselves, secrecy is not important to them.

Although most of these moves and methods are passe in today's casino gambling world and relate to a different era, they are not dead number gaffs and still can be used in spots, especially in private games. So while this lecture is delightful, informative and an eye opener to 99%+ of the people who watch it i.e., the magician, expose, hobbyist crowd and the like, I have to honestly say that seeing some of these things being exposed like this to non-hustlers makes me cringe and does bother and irritate me somewhat. Maybe it is my "keep your mouth shut" Bronx upbringing or my many years around this stuff that is coming to the fore...or perhaps there are some things you just can't change personality wise as you get older.

This is not meant as a criticism to anyone on this board or involved with the productions of this lecture, or about the subject matter, but simply as an observation. It is a sign of the times in the new information age.

That being said, it seems like things have changed greatly but...oh my god...have they really changed that much?

Well of course, in some circle they haven't, especially for those who are actively working and using different or more "current" methods to "win' at gambling, especially in casino play.

So while I don't think Jack has tipped this information out of the goodness of his heart or to generate good Karma throughout the universe, still most on this board owe him heartfelt thanks for wising them up to a certain degree and showing them things they never would have dreamed of.

Finally, here is a case where I begrudgingly quote the sophistry of Erdnase in his preface to The Expert at the Card Table since I could not have said it better: ...It may demonstrate to the tyro that he cannot beat a man at his own game, and it may enable the skilled in deception to take a post-graduate course in the highest and most artistic branches of his vocation. But it will not make the innocent vicious, or transform the pastime player into a professional; or make the fool wise, or curtail the annual crop of suckers; but whatever the result may be, if it sells it will accomplish the primary motive of the author as he need the money. (or whatever that motive may be).

So if the book sells well, and I hope it does and if they make a successful movie out of it, and I hope they do, we wish all the best to Jack and that he does extremely well financially on this.

Good luck...although guys like Jack usually make their own luck.
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Thanks again for all the gracious comments. I would like to address two issues that I noticed that some people think they are in the know about a guy like me,First, I hustled with and was friends with most all the full time and best scuffs in America and Europe and I would venture to say that there were maybe a hundred at most that were ,what I call pure 100% hustlers . The rest were weekend guys , part time hustlers ,fakers and what we would refer to as ,10 MILE HUSTLERS. As far as anyone of the real hustlers being upset, their only beef is that they are not here to be my partner .
The other issue that I noticed is a few of you are confused with the term , " ROUGH AND TUMBLE". The times when I use the term is to describe the venue and the event and not the hustler, examples would be bachelor parties, military going away parties ,clambakes ,outings ,etc ,etc. Probably in most cases it would be blue collar, labor unions, iron workers, hunting clubs, liquor dealer affairs etc and the booze was flowing. Most of these affairs were staged in halls that were affordable ,such as, VFW, AM VETS, AMERICAN LEGION, moose club, elks club,etc. As we all know, we are products of our environment. Now.you the reader can see that the things I mention could easily be a recipe for a good old DONNYBROOK, add in the gambling where only the strangers ,being the hustlers would win , this is the rough and tumble and the saying is not used to describe the ability or venue of a hustler.
Myself and my hustling compatriots were not fussy where we displayed our craft, whether it was shooting dice in the bathroom floor of a VFW or playing bar dice with Cary Grant," unbeknown to Cary that
he was my partner, along with my dear friend Hank Parker(95) and still living. at the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan, whether it was ROUGH AND TUMBLE or A CHANDELIER JOINT a true seasoned, hard boiled scuff cares less about the venue , but ,when he says $2,000 open while shooting dice and gets faded- NOW THAT IS IMPRESSIVE.
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I picked up your book quite a while ago Jack, and have enjoyed reading it such that I'm on my third time through it as I type this.

The Penguin video was the most enjoyable "watch" I've had in a long while.

Those folks who associate themselves (myself included) primarily with the history and general study of hustling with cards and dice would be very hard pressed to find any footage as enjoyable and detailed as you shared with us in the Penguin video.

Thanks Jack ... for taking the time to offer some real insight into a world of cards and dice that few have had the chance to come to know!
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I am gathering up all my dice including , levels, loads , tops, shapes, juice craps, trip or edge work and I didn,t realize I had so many just taking up space in my cellar. I also have a few whip cups ,and other items that I used for over fifty five years.They will be put on my new web page hopefully before the end of the month. I have some other interesting things that will only be spoken about and available on my web page.
Thanking everyone for their interest and gracious comments...... fast jack
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Jack, in the lecture you mention the Bee decks with different finish, do they still make those decks?

Also, a move you did called "The Hop", was demonstrated, but not explained, any future plans for another lecture?

I look forward to your new website.
I understand if someone wants to keep secrets, but I hate to see knowledge lost.
Thank you very much for your participation in magic community.
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Jerry,
Thanks for your interest.
Bee card company no longer sells them after they raided one of my under ground gambling clubs in New York city in 1989 and the FBI went to Bee card and suggested either making one of two finishes,the cambric (rough) or the smooth so they discontinued the smooth but I have some available. Let me know how we can speak and we can work it out ,,, They are great for integrating them and dealing seconds ,etc,etc . you get my drift. thanks jack
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John, I sent you a private message.
Thank you.

Jerry
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John what is your web address?
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Thanks for asking, https://www.fastjack711.com/

I will be selling a few things ,such as , gaffed and legitimate dice, a set of limited edition, collector,s square dice 3/4th inch - medium red with the name "fastjack" on the two.I will also be selling my dice that I worked with through the years. Also , special authentic BEE PLAYING CARDS that can be integrated with regular bee cards for your card tricks. Also, My book inscribed/signed by me. I plan on streaming different card and dices moves and the proper technique to do the move perfectly for a small fee. You can communicate with me in the comment section and I will answer your questions. Once again ,my new web- page https://www.fastjack711.com/ the site is still be worked on for a few more days. thanks to all, jack
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John thank you so much. Good luck in your future endeavors.
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This also a forum on this website.
I already made post.
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Looks great Jack! I hope it goes well, you'll have a customer in me got some old school dice gaffs
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