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spectrahue Regular user Leicestershire 161 Posts |
Hi, I have spent many hours looking for a suitable force other than Equivoke for forcing 1 card from 7. The cards have the days of the week on them.
Ideally I would like for the spectator to shuffle the cards and deal them into a row. From here the force would begin. So far I haven't seen anything that is hands off... Does anyone know of any mathematical principle in existence that could meet this criteria? As it is a small group of cards the cut deeper force is unsuitable.. Appreciate the help.. Nic |
hcs Special user Germany, Magdeburg 506 Posts |
Please read before you ask:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=99 |
spectrahue Regular user Leicestershire 161 Posts |
Hi hcs,
appreciate the link ; very interesting and meets nearly all of the criteria. As I previoulsy stated I would like the spectator to shuffle and deal in a row ...but as in your Quote:
On Mar 18, 2017, hcs wrote: So instead of a row, by dealing in a circle (no beginning or end) the starting point (force) can be anywhere in the circle without seeming out of place and arousing suspicion. Brilliant ...I will play with this and get back to you ...I have some Lewis Jones and Stewart James books to go through to see if there may be any other variants on a 1 in 7 force. Nic |
hcs Special user Germany, Magdeburg 506 Posts |
Hi Nic,
thank you very much for your warm words. |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
How about the Pateo Force? Quick (er than using a die), deceptive and fair looking.
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spectrahue Regular user Leicestershire 161 Posts |
Hi Claudio,
its a great idea however it seems very procedural compared to the suggestion by "hcs" (take a look at it and you will see). I am not sure what the force is called though ? maybe hcs can enlighten us ? Nic |
hcs Special user Germany, Magdeburg 506 Posts |
I haven't named this force until yet.
Whats about "HC's counting-out force" in respect to the "counting-out rhymes" of our childhood? Maybe you can suggest a better name? I developed this force in 2006 for my bar routine for gents called "Jeder Zoll eine Dame" (every inch a lady). The magician shows cards with beauty girls and a ugly woman. The spectator is looking for his dream girl. He missed the ugly woman but he will get a nasty and much uglier woman he has never seen. (This routine plays different to vienna magic's routine with the same name from 1990.) In 2006 Card-Shark got from me the permisssion to produce this routine (with his own "different and more correct" cards) in two versions "Beauty Babes" and "Beauty Boys". The "Beauty Babes" are IMHO sold out. Only some "boys" are left. See footage: http://www.card-shark.de/index.cfm?page=......rtID=213 The force works because 7 (one die) or 13 (two dice) are prime numbers and not divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 (...12). |
Ben Blau Inner circle 1475 Posts |
7 is a prime number. You might want to research Paul Sands as a starting point.
Ben Blau
http://www.benblaumentalism.com |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
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On May 7, 2017, spectrahue wrote: Nic, I honestly don't believe the force to be more procedural than repeatedly counting to eliminate cards - but I suppose it's all about context and perception. If hcs's force fits your effect better, by all means use it. If you want to quicken the pace of the PATEO force: The seven cards are on the table. The cards may be washed/shuffled at any time by the spectator. 1. You push 3 cards towards the spectator and he eliminates 2. 2. The spectator offers you 3 cards to choose from. You eliminate 2. 3. You offer 2 cards to choose from. He eliminates 1. 4. He offers the 2 last cards to you. You eliminate 1. Done. You can play with equivoke on the last choice(4) so as to leave the impression that the spec. chooses the last card. I have used this type of force many times and it always plays well as it's quick, disarming and deceiving - but it might not fit the context of the effect you want to perform. |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
Actually, if you want to streamline the procedure even further (and yet stay consistent with the "present 3 and eliminate 2" procedure), you could combine steps 3 and 4 into one:
3. Ask the spectator to touch one of the 3 remaining cards. If the target is touched, remove the other 2, otherwise touch yourself the other indifferent card and therefore both x cards get eliminated in a shared effort. It's easy to finesse this action with the relevant patter. |
Ben Blau Inner circle 1475 Posts |
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On May 9, 2017, Ben Blau wrote: Oops, typo. I meant GEORGE Sands.
Ben Blau
http://www.benblaumentalism.com |
m.o.pfeil Regular user 167 Posts |
You can find George Sands Prime Choice in Karl Fulves Sef Working Number Magic on Page 52. Thanks for the hint Ben Blau and thanks Hans-Christian for sharing!
I'd rather be read than (w)ri(gh)t(e)
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Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
Doesn't Kenton have some work on the Sands force as well?
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