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Yes, I did pay for one at The Session but haven't received anything yet. Last weekend, Woody told me the book should be with me this Friday or early next week.
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I'm still waiting on it too. Woody told me he'd the same as Olivier.

Have to admit I'm a little disappointed that I pre-ordered yet am getting it after others. It's a shame pre-orders weren't shipped to arrive on release day.

It's nice to support the creator by buying direct, for sure, but this does suck just a little bit!

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Ha ha,already got mine one mate,worth the wait for it
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Yep an incredible book, the Siamese section is worth the price of the book!!
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Mine arrived today, had a quick skim and can't wait to dive into it over the next few days!
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Hey guys

i will be reviewing this fully on Sunday night, stay tuned.

Alex Alejandro

that way if you are on the fence or not sure you can decide whether or not to purchase.

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Read thru the book during the weekend and well.... Well I am perhaps not the right person to read the book in the first place. Some background mind be in order; I have used Tamariz stack from the late 1990's so I used stack way before using them became a common thing and most average magicians werent even aware that memorizing a whole deck of cards was a thing. Of course since I have read pretty much all the published works on stack by Aronson, Close, Ortiz, Tamariz, Mead ect. I have never really cared about the "build in tricks" in any of the stacks. I understand that they mean much to the authors and that was the reason why they were included in their stacks but in most cases they are not for me. I can pretty safety say that only option in Tamariz stack that I have ever used is to get in and out of new deck order. I also use stack mainly for lay audiences.

This brings me to Aragons memoradium. First of all; It is a new stack... I have been happy with mnemonica for +15 years so why in the world would I want to change? Well... I don't. Although Aragon stack seems to be really good and it seems to be filled with build in features none of them interests me enough to put in the work to forget one stack and memorize another.

First 200 pages or so in the book describe the stack and lots of its build in features. There is tons of them! Poker deals, spelling tricks, tricks out of "Book in English" ect. If you don't already know a stack this certainly is really good option! But if you do know a stack this is 200 pages of material that relies on the properties of this particular stack and therefore it is useless to you unless you plan on learning a new stack...

Then comes the good part; Siamese stack! Next 100 or so pages cover devious new style memdeck that has some really killer applications! Good thing about this idea is that at least from first reading it seems that it can be adapted to any stack that one might already be using. This chapter is filled with routines that would also fool most magicians who are familiar with memdeck work. However there is a price to pay for these miracles; you kinda need something extra with you and it is two edged sword. The price isn't huge and it opens up a new world in memdeck world. But in my case I am not sure if I still would be willing to carry the extra things with me instead of going with just a deck since I am not so sure if the lay audiences can feel and see the difference in effects that this new way of thinking opens up. All I can say is that this work is one of the most ingenious thinking in memdeck or card magic that I have read in ages and it made the book well worth it for me even if I don't end up using any of it.

So who is this book for? If you don't use a memdeck this is certainly up there with mnemonica and could be a great option. You get a good stack with tons of build in features and some of them are really devious! BUT if you already do use a stack then you have to ask yourself if you would be willing to change or learn a new stack since the material in this first book is extremely stack dependable. I assume that most of the non stack dependent routines will be in vol.2. But again, this might be worth it just for the chapter and thinking on siamese stack.

J-M
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Thanks for the indepth post, J-M. Much appreciated.
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Nice post... thanks
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J-M - Thank you for the review. I have never used a memdeck or memstack before, so it sounds like this book would be perfect for someone like me. I'm also up for the challenge of trying to memorize an entire deck of cards, and having all these built-in features sounds like icing on the cake!

In case anyone needs one, MJM Magic has it with free USA shipping:
http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/-p-24256.html

Hopefully I will post a few after I get mine and play around with it! Smile
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J-M, thanks for the review, it make me start wonder what if the application of Siamese stack into Mnemonica...?
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I got the book and the Memory Arts Ebook for it and it is a wonderful combination. I like the memory arts approach and use it for other stuff as well now.
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On May 22, 2017, Steven Leung wrote:
J-M, thanks for the review, it make me start wonder what if the application of Siamese stack into Mnemonica...?


Siamese stack was originally developed to be used with Mnemonica so it works just fine Smile

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On May 20, 2017, korttihai_82 wrote:
Read thru the book during the weekend and well.... Well I am perhaps not the right person to read the book in the first place. Some background mind be in order; I have used Tamariz stack from the late 1990's so I used stack way before using them became a common thing and most average magicians werent even aware that memorizing a whole deck of cards was a thing. Of course since I have read pretty much all the published works on stack by Aronson, Close, Ortiz, Tamariz, Mead ect. I have never really cared about the "build in tricks" in any of the stacks. I understand that they mean much to the authors and that was the reason why they were included in their stacks but in most cases they are not for me. I can pretty safety say that only option in Tamariz stack that I have ever used is to get in and out of new deck order. I also use stack mainly for lay audiences.

This brings me to Aragons memoradium. First of all; It is a new stack... I have been happy with mnemonica for +15 years so why in the world would I want to change? Well... I don't. Although Aragon stack seems to be really good and it seems to be filled with build in features none of them interests me enough to put in the work to forget one stack and memorize another.

First 200 pages or so in the book describe the stack and lots of its build in features. There is tons of them! Poker deals, spelling tricks, tricks out of "Book in English" ect. If you don't already know a stack this certainly is really good option! But if you do know a stack this is 200 pages of material that relies on the properties of this particular stack and therefore it is useless to you unless you plan on learning a new stack...

Then comes the good part; Siamese stack! Next 100 or so pages cover devious new style memdeck that has some really killer applications! Good thing about this idea is that at least from first reading it seems that it can be adapted to any stack that one might already be using. This chapter is filled with routines that would also fool most magicians who are familiar with memdeck work. However there is a price to pay for these miracles; you kinda need something extra with you and it is two edged sword. The price isn't huge and it opens up a new world in memdeck world. But in my case I am not sure if I still would be willing to carry the extra things with me instead of going with just a deck since I am not so sure if the lay audiences can feel and see the difference in effects that this new way of thinking opens up. All I can say is that this work is one of the most ingenious thinking in memdeck or card magic that I have read in ages and it made the book well worth it for me even if I don't end up using any of it.

So who is this book for? If you don't use a memdeck this is certainly up there with mnemonica and could be a great option. You get a good stack with tons of build in features and some of them are really devious! BUT if you already do use a stack then you have to ask yourself if you would be willing to change or learn a new stack since the material in this first book is extremely stack dependable. I assume that most of the non stack dependent routines will be in vol.2. But again, this might be worth it just for the chapter and thinking on siamese stack.

J-M


I suppose there are 3 reasons that someone may buy this book (or Patrick Redford's 'Temporarily Out Of Order'):
1) to learn a memorised deck (utilising, if wanted, its built-in effects)
2) for a user of an existing memorised deck to learn some 'stack independent' tricks (and related handlings)
3) to use the stack, without the memory work, for the built-in tricks

(it could be 1, 2, 3 or 2+3).

I suspect most people who are interested in Aragon's or Redford's books are existing mem-deck users who are interested in 2 and/or 3 above.

Has anyone bought both books and wishes to comment from an existing mem-deck user's perspective? (the above quoted review on this book is very helpful)
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Hey guys,

So this is a big book to review all at once, I have read the first 150 pages or so, where Woody explains his stack, teaches it, tricks with half stack, and tricks with full stack.

I havent yet got to the part with the Siamese Stack, but I suspect this is similar to something I saw from Vincent Hedan called Multitude, but I may be wrong.

On the upside, this is a brilliant book, congratulations to Woody.

Now I need to purchase Patrick's

Alex
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On May 24, 2017, BMWGuy wrote:
Hey guys,

So this is a big book to review all at once, I have read the first 150 pages or so, where Woody explains his stack, teaches it, tricks with half stack, and tricks with full stack.

I havent yet got to the part with the Siamese Stack, but I suspect this is similar to something I saw from Vincent Hedan called Multitude, but I may be wrong.

On the upside, this is a brilliant book, congratulations to Woody.

Now I need to purchase Patrick's

Alex


Nothing to do with Hedan's idea, that it is an original idea from Woody and no c*t cards or something like that. Perhaps you can do it at your own, and mix ideas (Woody talks about it inside the book), but the original idea of the Siamese stack it is not like Multitude at all.
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How many people who already use mnemonica will switch to this?
what are THE killer effects that worth you to learn this new stack?
people who cannot do 100% accurate faro shuffle can forget about this?
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