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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
Whatever you say Wasshuber.
Most importantly though, your device offers NOTHING new. |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Not only what I say, but what paying customers say. For example John Scialli writes about my Blistr: "This thing is ingenious. ..." Full review can be read here http://www.lybrary.com/blistr-p-921816.html
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
WTF is John Scialli, and why on earth should I care what your one and only reviewer thinks?
Shill your crap in some other forum. |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
I developed my punches with the direct input from people who actually use these things. They have been very happy with what I developed. They can for example be adjusted much more precisely than most other punches. That is a huge advantage. But I am not surprised that you can't understand these improvements.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I guess one could use Hole Punch Pliers - with a little work
https://www.etsystudio.com/listing/49941......ress-art or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EyjtUBg9Aw
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Yes, you could, but they still have the problem of precise adjustment. One of the critical things in any punch is to precisely set how deep the indentation is. We are talking literally micrometers here. A trained finger can feel subtle differences. I have not seen any punch, besides the ones I offer, which allow an absolutely precise adjustment. The problem for example with a screw-counter-nut setup, as is seen in one of the hole punch pliers you are linking to, is that when one tightens or loosens the counter-nut it can change the position of the screw. On top of that it is a second unnecessary action. In my designs the body of the punch is made from carbon reinforced Nylon, and thus acts like a nylon lock nut. That means one can make tiny adjustments to the screw without any further locking or unlocking actions. Those happen immediately and automatically because the adjustment screw runs in Nylon threads. This setup allows one to make tiny adjustments without any error. Any engineer who has designed or used such tools will immediately appreciate the advantage and the improvement in my designs.
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rowdymagi5 Inner circle Virginia 3615 Posts |
The big difference I see is that Chris is offering a utility tool. Good luck getting Riser to sell you one.
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Better:
(note-second item from the top) http://www.gamblingcollectibles.com/equipment4.html Best: http://www.theperfectshuffle.com/Pinpoint-Pegger/ |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Neither of these allows a precise setting of the depth of the needle. I am not saying they are bad. Particularly the Pinpoint-Pegger has very nice alignment guides and in this respect is the best punch I am aware of. But for setting the exact depth my punches are far superior because they allow tiny precise incremental adjustments.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
Risers punch can make micro-adjustments. In fact your design rips off Risers design entirely. Risers punch was first marketed over 10 years ago.
http://www.jamesriser.com/Magic/SmCardPunch/RiserPunch.html Your punch offers NOTHING original at all, just another of your rip-offs, along with the concept of a pegged card as a breather. |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
The Riser punch you are linking to is completely different to how I have solved the problem. Different solution to perhaps the same idea, but not at all a copy.
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
Well playing the 'prick' was published in at least 1552, using the crimp as a breather is also an old idea, as is using more of a blunt impression rather than a needle point. But it is also clear that none of these are claimed to be original.
It is, however, the first device I've seen that is designed to peg cards with a blunt impression using a scissor type action. Other blunt marks can be put in with other purpose built devices, but the depth is controlled by the amount of force put in to the device, for example if you were to squeeze a ball bearing and a card between your finger and thumb, this makes consistent marking difficult. Additionally, since the Blistr is adjustable, the desired depth can be reliably and repeatedly achieved. This seems to be a great product for magicians (or very soft games), where you can get away with using larger marks, so why risk missing a small pin prick at a gig, when a larger blister will make your life easier and, with some audience management, is just as invisible. This is, in my opinion, the market for which the Blistr is designed. |
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Eoin OHare New user Ireland 88 Posts |
The Pinpoint Pegger was designed to accommodate various diameter 'pin' -including blunts.
http://www.theperfectshuffle.com/Pinpoint-Pegger/
Designer & Maker of The Stripper Jig Card Trimmer & Pinpoint Pegger
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
My mistake, thank you for the correction Eoin, I assumed it was designed with only needle point pins in mind.
Additionally, there is no reason that the needle on many devices couldn't be blunted if it can't be replaced. |
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Eoin OHare New user Ireland 88 Posts |
Yeah, there are a few simple modifications you can do with old punches, try turning the pin upside down in it's holder and punch with the pin head for blunts. Use cut post it notes as shims under the upper arm to reduce the depth of the blister by the thickness of the post it note. A spring washer can sometimes make it easy to adjust screws that lock with a nut, making incremental adjustments easy. Whatever, I made the decision not to make my pin adjustable by screw mainly because it's just not something you do once you are happy with it's height, this might take 20 minutes for my design instead of 5 minutes, l guess. Something I'd only do, maybe, every few years or so!
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
That's a fair point, but I imagine those that are just starting out will be adjusting the height more often. Though I don't think your product is really designed for the beginner market.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On Jun 14, 2017, Chris wrote: All one can be assured of by this statement that you've not seen very many punches at all. Post a picture for us of your punch along side of all four of the punches Riser has released, and do include one of Eoin's punches, and throw in at least 3 or 4 antique punches for good measure. In other words, post a picture of all the punches you boldly claim to have "seen". |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Why would I have photos of all punches I have seen? I don't run around with a life-stream camera that preserves everything I see. Most of the punches I have seen have been shown to me privately by collectors or by gamblers. The page you link to shows a punch with a set screw coming from the side to hold the needle. This is simply a way to fix the needle but does not allow precise adjustments as my Blistr or card punch. Eoin stated himself that his card punch does not have that type of adjustment either. So please show me a punch that allows a precise depth adjustment by turning a screw without having to first open some kind of locking mechanism. You made the claim that mine is a copy. It is up to you to present your evidence. So far you haven't.
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
On top of the adjustment issue the way the movement is realized in my Blistr is fundamentally different. There is no card punch that even comes close. Artie Fufkin's accusation is completely ridiculous.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
OMG - What am I doing wrong? As I stated in my post above of Apr 30, 2017, I still own two punches, one from the KC Card Co. and the other from King and Co. respectively, purchased about 40 years ago, and have never had any of the problems discussed on this thread relating to the more "exotic" or "advanced" punches.
While I do find this conversation interesting and respect the sincere opinions given herein, and certainly respect all the "new" developments that have "enhanced" the simple concept of a punch , some of which are quite ingenious, how come my two punches still work so well and seem to do the job as good as any? I mean, we are talking about a pin prick, or in the alternative, a blunt "hump" as the case may be. I find the difference between what magicians and academics develop and discuss relating to "gambling" concepts and methods and the way a professional hustler would look at it quite interesting. Non-hustlers look to improve the concept or basic idea more (for intellectual enjoyment or the sell product), and hustlers look primarily at the practical application and situations in which a ploy can employed. To them if you can't "get it on," all else is meaningless. However, at this point in time, using a pin prick is more or less in the province of academics and magicians as discussed herein. If something like this was to be employed professionally it would not be with a pin prick. Additionally I should add this conversation is quite valid as it pertains to the purpose of this thread. Still the dichotomy between the thought processes of non-hustlers and "real" hustlers is quite striking. That being the case, they both have merit for their respective purposes. |
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