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Christian Engblom New user 25 Posts |
The more demanding "move" is indeed just one way to accomplish some of the effects I teach in the instructional videos.
There are several easier ways to use the deck, and I cover a few of them. This way anyone, regardless of skill level, can benefit from the deck, and while using CCC the easier way, you will eventually get the "move" down as well. This is a true worker, and I agree with tim_o ; Triple C should become a standard deck to use in our arsenal of tools. |
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Gaijin Regular user 175 Posts |
I finally managed to download the videos and I must say that I am very impressed by the cleverness of this project.
The root principle is a very innovative way to locate and control a spectator's card, then the effects which are taught using the deck are themselves very original, I really like them all. As people usually say, "the best thing using this deck has not been invented yet". Whenever I hear this, it sounds so cliche to me. For once, I would totally agree with such a statement. You are getting a principle AND some awesome effects but the value lies in the principle here. Christian explains how you can locate the selection(s), this is itself well done and very well motivated, totally natural in the context of the routines. If you look at the performances, it's totally invisible, you get no clue of how/when the magic happened. This participates a lot in the resulting baffling. On top of the location move, there are 3 taught magician's hands-off controls which are pure gold: - one with courtesy of a famous magician - one with 3 spectators - one with face up cards I had never seen them anywhere so far. Having discovered the principle of the deck by playing with it before watching the performances, I could roughly guess guess how the location could be achieved although I could not see it at all watching the videos. Then, knowing that a location of the selected card was done, I could tell that controlling the card was what would come next and bam! Bluffed again, invisible moves happening, no idea of what was going on, totally bluffed by how the controls were achieved in the spectators hands, it's that fair. Nothing is suspicious, every move is motivated, nothing at all is fishy and you just have to wait for them to do it for you, it's really magical to see that. Not only they put their card back in themselves, they shuffle and you just watch them do it! It looks totally impossible for the magician to locate their selected card(s) in such conditions. For the purists, once you locate the card you can use your existing favorite controls, and you can enjoy your already mastered moves with Triple-C. What more could be asked? Really well done Christian and thank you for sharing! |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Ok so if the cards are totally shuffled in any fashion the card can be located ? Can it also be replaced anywhere by the spectator and not on top of say a cri.m.ed or st.c.y card etc ? Regards Tarik 😊
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bpearce Regular user 141 Posts |
I just bought it, but have not received it yet and was wondering if any mem deck work is required?
There will always be someone better at some things than you are. There will always be someone worse at some things than you are. All you can really do in the end, is aim to be better than you were yesterday.
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blurrylines Regular user 185 Posts |
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On May 28, 2017, bpearce wrote: Nope. |
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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 957 Posts |
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On May 28, 2017, Tarik Flash wrote: Tarik: Yes it can be replaced anywhere back into the deck by the spectator.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 957 Posts |
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On May 29, 2017, blurrylines wrote: No mem deck work required.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
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bpearce Regular user 141 Posts |
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On May 28, 2017, gtx magic wrote: Okay cool, thanks!
There will always be someone better at some things than you are. There will always be someone worse at some things than you are. All you can really do in the end, is aim to be better than you were yesterday.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
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On May 28, 2017, gtx magic wrote: Thank you regards Tarik 😊 |
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tomd Special user 747 Posts |
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On May 28, 2017, Tarik Flash wrote: No Tarik, they can't be shuffled in any fashion. Any traditional shuffle is fine, but... essentially with principle and others similar to it (sub-rosa etc), there are certain sacrifices you have to make for certain purposes. You can let a spec shuffle a sub rosa deck until his hands bleed, and you can let him play 52 card pick up, you will still find the card. But, that card you find cannot be interchanged with another card that doesn't have the gimmick. Triple C allows you to find ANY selected card, and completely hands off, but if the spectator drops the cards (like a substantial amount) or shuffles haphazardly you're screwed. hope that helps. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Thank you tomd for your very informative answer regards Tarik 😊
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Carderrez Regular user Arlington, Texas 188 Posts |
If you have not seen Triple C Live Q and A with Christian Engblom on You Tube. If not you may want to check it out. Christian talks about how he discovered it as property in normal decks. I believe those may have been a characteristic a few rare Hoyle decks. I never had a one of these decks, but I seem to recall I knew someone who did. Anyone remember seeing one of these rare decks?
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Carderrez Regular user Arlington, Texas 188 Posts |
I have not put Triple-C down since I got it although I pretty much ruined the retail deck early on. Not from handling, but flattening the deck. I had just gotten a really nice vice to replace my C-clamps (no-pun intended) and I did not notice then inner channel was full of oil. It was a sobering moment waking up the next day to very flat, but very oil soaked deck of CCCs.
I decided to try my arts and crafts skills and made myself a few of the gaffed decks. Nothing as remotely perfect as actual Triple-Cs, but good enough for practice until my replacement deck comes in. (There really is no comparison to the actual CCCs and I spent hours on the ones I made.) For those of you who may be struggling with the gaff and for some who may not feel their handling of Triple-C may not feel as natural as it should. I've made a few observations and would like to share the progression my handling practices. I used two of the gaffed decks I made. One with a deeper gaff and one with a lighter gaff than real CCCs. I would start off practicing with the lighter gaff and then move to the deeper gaff, you would think just the opposite would be true, but I found that after practicing fatigue sets in and the deeper gaff works best later in the practice. After about a week of practicing I no longer found the need to use the deeper gaff, but it really helped me get comfortable with the deck. I noticed (after the fact) that learning the handling I picked up some bad habits. I have not performed any magic with this deck, but I have tried a emulate some of the effects on the training videos and I found myself glancing at the deck in ways I do not consider natural card handling or posturing. So to eliminate some of this (not all) I found that practicing in the darkness with a very faint light on the cards helped me when I was trying to get comfortable with the different placements of the selected card with the more pronounced shadows on the surface of the deck. (I have decided to hold off on multiple cards until I have the single card location down to a science). Even though I was still glancing at the deck at this point. It was more about getting used to handling the card from different locations in the deck. Afterwards I would move on to handing the deck in total darkness. If I had thought about it sooner. I would have used he faint light onto total darkness technique from the beginning. For some it might be worthwhile to just start using the deck in total darkness from the beginning. It might actually be better. You don't need to see the cards to practice. At this point I do all of my card location practice in complete darkness. This is helping my handling of the card location to be completely fluid and natural feeling. I am by no means an expert, but I my goal when I am finally face to face with live audience again is for every movement to have its place and to appear completely natural during my performance. Since this is my ultimate goal for any effect I perform. I thought I might share this aspect of my practice of Christians' evolutionary handling of this deck. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Nice insight Carderrez thanks for sharing 😊 they all sound solid tips for practice Tarik 😊
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Carderrez Regular user Arlington, Texas 188 Posts |
I have had a bottle of Chamberlain Golden Touch - Original Moisturizer sitting on the shelf for few months and hadn't used it. It runs about $17 with shipping on Amazon and I thought I would save it for performances and use SortKwik for practice. I had some special decks made (not Triple-C) and was having trouble handling them and decided to try the Chamberlain Golden Touch. This is some quality hand lotion. It puts SortKwik (which I found can also stain cards) to shame and more importantly I found out it also makes handling Triple-C a breeze. I wish I had started out using it. It makes a huge difference.
I believe I first learned about it originally in a post by SmileAndNod in the Workers section in the thread titled "Dry Hands." |
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Carderrez Regular user Arlington, Texas 188 Posts |
I just got my replacement deck and I need to retract what I said about the smaller gaff I was using to practice with. The deck I was practicing with has a slightly larger gaff (not smaller). The cards that were damaged by the oil gave the appearance of having a larger gaff, but not true. Also the professional grade deck and gaff handle much better than the practice deck I was using.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
So glad I never got this. Deffo not worth the effort IMO.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
It's not difficult at all and no harder imo than practicing any effect . Even if you don't want to practice at all the basic handling is self working and to a layman is just as fooling . I like this a lot Tarik 😊
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Carderrez Regular user Arlington, Texas 188 Posts |
I agree its not difficult, but there are different ways to practice. Some methods are more difficult than others. I love this deck. I absolutely love it and I excited about the progress I have made.
Like any effect there are good and bad methods of practice. I have done both with this utility, but this utility is so good. There is simply no putting it down. I could not put it down even after destroying my first deck in a puddle of machine oil. I did not have the budget to get a new deck at the time, so if I wanted to practice I needed to make my own. There's no good way to do this (at least at my arts and crafts skill level), and even the method I finally settled on fell short, but they were good enough to use for practice. If you have the skill and can figure out how to do this. I thought I should share what I discovered along the way. So in a nutshell - based on all the observations made in this thread by other magicians and by myself. The things that make learning to use Triple-C easier if you are having trouble with the gaff. 1. The gaff works best if you have naturally moist hands. If you do not use Chamberlain's Golden Touch Lotion. The same lotion used by Dia Vernon. (the buck stops there) 2. Christian calls for mindless practice on the training video. I have watched eight episodes of "House of Cards" with Triple-C in my hands. 3. I also like to practice in complete darkness. I feel like I am getting a more natural control over the gaff by doing so. (Just a preference of mine) 4. If you are having trouble with the professional grade gaff and you have the ability, try creating a practice deck with a deeper gaff. Triple-C provides endless possibilities. Anyone even remotely interested in performing card magic like the professionals do should invest in learning the handling of this deck. Its not for everyone (no effect or utility is), but this is not a one trick pony - its a tool - - a weapon I am going to use over and over again. |
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BMWGuy Inner circle Texas 2564 Posts |
Can someone Pm me that has this
can do the move easy but on the name spell having trouble locating correct card thanks alex
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