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Hi everybody,


Can anyone suggest a source for a thorough, detailed description of Harvey Rosenthal's pop-up move? This is a method for obtaining a pinky break under the top card of a deck (and I think under the first several cards at the top) using just the left hand. I've sometimes seen it referred to as the "bubble break." There seem to be lots of books and magazines that discuss the move, but many are out of print or quite expensive. I own one of Greg Wilson's DVD's; he explains the move, but so briefly that I wasn't able to figure it out.


Roberto Giobbi apparently describes the move in his book, Hidden Agenda. Since I'm a Giobbi fan, this might be a good candidate. Does anyone own the book who can speak to how clear and detailed the description is?


Thanks for whatever help people can offer.


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Bob
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Daryl's Ambitious Card Omnibus by Stephen Minch contains the best description I have seen. It is also described by Minch in Secrets of a Peurto Rican Gambler. Minch explains that Rosenthal developed the same concept independently and published it in his Packet Switches.
This is the only method I employ for establishing a break beneath the top card with one hand.
It is also Ideal for a one handed preparation for Vernon's Depth Illusion. Once the card has been "popped up", simply let the inner left corner pop off the thenar and you're all set.
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I believe you can also find it in one of his many folios in Pallbearers. I wanna say Trapdoor, too. But I don't own Trapdoor so I can't say for sure.

I wouldn't say it's better than the pinky count, but for a single card break you can do worse.
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Thanks for all the info, MagicFish. Do you know whether Minch's description is just as good in "Gambler"? I'm trying to find the least expensive route to this move. Also, does the move allow two cards to pop up, as a DL get ready?


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I believe you can also find it in one of his many folios in Pallbearers. I wanna say Trapdoor, too. But I don't own Trapdoor so I can't say for sure.

I wouldn't say it's better than the pinky count, but for a single card break you can do worse.

For a single card, it is superior to the pinky count.
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Bob, as I stated before, I feel the Omnibus description is best but the Gambler description is sufficient.
Both are excellent books.
How do you know of this move Bob?
What got you thinking about it if I may ask?
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MagicFish,


I think the move was mentioned as the "Bubble Break" in David Forrest's color-changing deck routine "Colour Burn." Too hard for me right now, but maybe someday...



As a beginner (I've been studying magic and practicing basic sleights for about a year but have performed only a little and only for my family), I'm looking for a good way to unobtrusively create a break at the top of the deck -- currently mostly for the Braue Reversal, but also for the DL. I followed Giobbi's injunction (in CC 1) to find a way to use the pinky count that fit one's hand; he says that strength is of secondary importance, with coordination first. To my surprise and delight it took me only a few days to develop what I think is a pretty good pinky count. But I have two problems with it: first, I can't avoid a noise when the little finger releases a card and slaps lightly against my ring finger. And second, it takes me a long time to get the break under the second card when I'm practicing a DL.



So I'm looking for alternatives, and Rosenthal's move seems promising. Meanwhile I'm practicing tricks from Fulves' self-working book and from Bob Longe's books. The latter are nice because they do include some easy sleight of hand.


Well, that's more than you asked! I hope it satisfies your curiosity, and I'd welcome any advice.


Bob
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On May 14, 2017, Rupert Pupkin wrote:
I believe you can also find it in one of his many folios in Pallbearers. I wanna say Trapdoor, too. But I don't own Trapdoor so I can't say for sure.

I wouldn't say it's better than the pinky count, but for a single card break you can do worse.

For a single card, it is superior to the pinky count.


I would rather a secret action occur at the back of the deck than the front.
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On May 14, 2017, Rupert Pupkin wrote:
I believe you can also find it in one of his many folios in Pallbearers. I wanna say Trapdoor, too. But I don't own Trapdoor so I can't say for sure.

I wouldn't say it's better than the pinky count, but for a single card break you can do worse.

For a single card, it is superior to the pinky count.


I would rather a secret action occur at the back of the deck than the front.


I illustrated a couple of Harvey's pamphlets back in the '70's. At that time I received personal instruction from Harvey on the move. If performed properly, there's nothing to see at the front of the deck
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On May 14, 2017, Rupert Pupkin wrote:
I believe you can also find it in one of his many folios in Pallbearers. I wanna say Trapdoor, too. But I don't own Trapdoor so I can't say for sure.

I wouldn't say it's better than the pinky count, but for a single card break you can do worse.

For a single card, it is superior to the pinky count.


I would rather a secret action occur at the back of the deck than the front.

Nothing happens at the front.
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Bob, I would be happy to teach you this move personally.
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Pressure is applied by the thumb at the front of the deck.

However, I concede this is an aesthetic preference, as I try to avoid having the thumb rest on top. I much prefer the deck higher in the hand, and nearer the fingertips.
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The pressure is invisible.
Like Nicholas stated above, absolutely nothing happens in the front.
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Many thanks for your offer, magicfish. I've PM'd you. Thanks also, BTW for suggesting Elmsley's book in the "little finger break w/o white line" thread.
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Bob, I'm not very good with computers. I don't even own one. Never have. But I will put a little video on my phone when I get a chance and try to get it to you privately.
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Thanks -- no hurry! I'll enjoy it when you find the time.
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If you don't mind learning from video, Daryl teaches it quite well in his "encyclopedia of card sleights". That's where I learned it over 15 years ago.
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The Rosenthal Pop-up Move can be found in Packet Switches Three by Karl Fulves(ref p. 184).
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Bobby and Tom.


Tom, thanks for the suggestion. In theory I'd love to buy PS3, but all the copies I've come across have been really high.



Bobby, do you know which volume Daryl teaches the move in? The most comprehensive list of sleights I found was on Penguin Magic, but it didn't list "pop". I'm guessing vol. 5, since that has DL's, pinky count, bevel count... *Maybe* the move I'm looking for is also called the bevel count, but I've seen "bevel" refer to a move from early in Expert Card Magic that uses two hands.. I'm looking for the sleight that's done with one hand only. Thanks...
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Hey Bob. I can't say for sure but if it's not on the pinky break and double lift section of the dvds, then it will be on the "tilt" section. He uses it as a one handed tilt get ready as well.
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