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RudolfRassen New user 81 Posts |
I want to get more into Coin Sleights, but my hands are horribly smooth and the lack of friction has made palming overly difficult.
Does anyone have suggestions on how to rough my hands or something to put on them to get a similar result? Thanks in advance! |
Rick Holcombe Special user 624 Posts |
Are you referring to Classic Palm?
You can get far without Classic Palm, but just continue to work on it. And I mean constantly. You'll get it eventually. Just keep a half dollar with you all day long. Whenever possible just keep that thing in your palm and keep trying. It's not so much about friction, but training the muscles in your hand. I use Barber halves a lot and they have completely worn down edges. Rick |
Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
You can get products that help moisturize the skin and allow you to palm better.You can use Roths idea of putting violin rosin on the edges of your coins to grip them better.
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RudolfRassen New user 81 Posts |
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On May 24, 2017, Michael Rubinstein wrote: Since my son used to play the violin, I can easily get a hold of Rosin... Any recommendations as to moisturizers? |
Danwseers New user 78 Posts |
O'keefe's working hands, Chamberlains Golden Touch (smells strong), Zimm's crack cream (also has a smell).
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mindmagic Inner circle London 1740 Posts |
Get a small bottle of glycerine from the baking section of your local supermarket. A tiny drop on your palm will help a lot.
Also try different sizes of coin. I can CP any coin singly, but for a stack and some other sleights I need to use large coins (old English pennies). Barry |
Hare Veteran user 323 Posts |
Classic Palming is "overly difficult" for everyone learning it. It takes years of patient work to become truly proficient at it, and is one of the harder sleights in all of magic to truly master. A great many people attempting to tackle it fall into the false conclusion that their hands are "too small", "too skinny", "too rough", "too smooth", or "too dry" to Classic Palm.
I live in Pennsylvania where we do experience minus zero F temperatures in winter, so that hands get pretty dry, I have hands that are "smoother" than most, that aren't particularly large. I can attest that none of these things will stop someone from learning to CP a coin. Make sure you have a competent book or video or friend to learn. Bobo's instruction at CP is lousy, with illustrations of a hand holding the coin that is not anatomically correct- putting the coin in a somewhat wacky area. The best book I know for really insightful coin instruction, (as opposed to a book tossing massive amounts of sketchy information at you like Bobo), is Hay's Amateur Magician's Handbook. The "Amateur" moniker belies the fact that it actually is the smartest book on general hand magic that exists, in my opinion. It is precise, and it's instructions are intimate. CP is a finess hold- it's like holding flowers, not bowling balls. It takes a long time to get the specific muscles you need familiarized with what they need to do, and it's muscles you use pretty much only for this one thing in this exact manner, which, I think, is why it takes a long time and is frustrating. Once mastered, it's extremely devious- people really think your hand is empty simply from the way it appears relaxed and open, and it is possible to hold more than one coin and even set it down flat on a table and pick it back up- although it's often not really natural to do this in real life. I think coins the size of Morgan/Eisenhower dollars are easier than halves- though maybe that's because I just prefer and have practiced with large coins for so very long. Anyway, CP is a treasure, worth learning.
"Better described in The Amateur Magician's Handbook"
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Rudolf, try this website. It's a page on Dan Watkins's site http://www.coinvanish.com
http://www.coinvanish.com/backpalm.html#......a%20Coin Jim |
RudolfRassen New user 81 Posts |
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On May 28, 2017, J-Mac wrote: This looks like a great resource. Thanks for the recommendation... |
Wandering Man New user 29 Posts |
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On May 28, 2017, J-Mac wrote: Thanks for the link. Great detail on palming. I am struggling with getting this down. Those pics of the hands are awesome, and a little scary.
Never argue with drunks or crazy people.
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Signet Loyal user 257 Posts |
I had all kinds of trouble learning any sleights. I was using half dollars. When I picked up the Ike for the first time, it just clicked. My advice would be to get an Eisenhower dollar and try it. Everyone's hand is different, but this worked for me. When I tried halves after having learner with Ike's, it was easy. I get them at the coin shop for $1.10 a coin.
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JoeHohman Special user Erie 706 Posts |
Here is my two cents, if it helps:
A. As Signet mentions, experiment with different coin sizes. B. If you like halves, try to find Kennedy halves minted from 1966 to 1968. These have a special name (Half-clads? Clads?), but there is something different about the milling that makes CP-ing much easier. C. Experiment with copper coins, such as English pennies. For me, English pennies are easier than typical halves, and they have NO milling --- I think it has to do more with my body chemistry. Your mileage may vary.... |
iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
THe best advice I got for helping me with my classic palm was from a magician from the philippines named Rannie aka the Boss.... this might sound retarded but he made me rub coca cola on my palms.... just the middle part where the coin is classic palmed and it made my palms somewhat tacky but allowed me to grip the coin like an octopus.... this was at least 9 years ago and now I can classic palm without the help....just my 2 cents...
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Iamslow,
Many of us have learned a lot of great coin magic tips from "The Boss", Rannie Raymundo. Jim |
iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
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On Dec 8, 2017, J-Mac wrote: Jim I havent heard from the guy in years.....Im not even sure if he still posts here... mabee ill try and get a hold of him through mutual friends..
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
He's still around. He posts only once in a while now. Rannie is also a professional singer and I believe he took a break from magic to concentrate on singing again. Hopefully he'll see this and come here to update us.
Jim |
John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
I can identify with the OP. Things that are easy for others to do/hold are difficult for myself - and I'm talking about a lot more than palming halves! My skin has gotten very slippery, and seems to get worse with age.
hand lotions quickly wear off or dry Chamberlains Golden Touch gives me headaches : There is one thing that I found very helpful for coin work - children's non-drying modeling clay. You can put a small ball in a plastic bag (for transport), then when needed, just roll it in you hands for a few seconds. That will leave a slight residue of something that greatly helps handling of coins Try it!
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CarpetShark Special user 576 Posts |
A lot of interesting ideas for hand 'adhesion' but is this really the way to go ? Now, for pros working there is always prep time before a show, but what about the never-ending impromptu requests for a 'coin trick' from fammily and friends.... oh, hang a sec while I get out the rosin. In my humble opinion artificially adding stickyness to hands or coins is almmost akin to a crutch move. Just my thoughts, nothing more.
I feel strongly that the CP is the most important weapon in a coin artist's arsenal. The vast majority of routines incorporate, or even centre on the CP. I can't imagine having to constantly find work-arounds... but then again, I am very lazy. Fwiw it took me a couple of years of practice to get it down, and it's something I still work on, by CP'ing in both hands while going through my day. Hang in there, keep at it, and keep those thumbs from flying out! |
kimwizard New user Muscatine, Iowa USA 48 Posts |
Sortkwik. I've tried many things. This works best for me. It's the stuff often used in banks to help with the counting of bills. Dries quickly on your hands. Last a long time. Inexpensive. Available at office supply stores as well as wal-mart and the like. The small size takes only a little room in your pants pocket. I go nowhere with out it. Good for cards too.
Best, Kim |
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