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Mindpro
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Wow, you already know better than those with actual experience.
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You're right Impulse. Why spend money on real learning when you have books?

I don't understand why doctors even bother going to med school when they can just read about it.

Why do actors go to workshops when they can buy a book?

Can you believe comedians actually attended classes when there are 100's of books on the subject?

If you want to have a career, learn from people who are really doing it. Learn what you are really doing with volunteers and learn to do it right.

I think I've exhausted myself on this thread.
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Exactly! That's why he is favoring Realty Is Plastic rather than the other provided resources and insights. Just let him play with his "set-pieces" and being impressed sticking his hand to the table and trying it on family and friends and he will get the same results as others have playing in traffic (the streets). We are all under the misunderstanding that he wanted to learn actual hypnosis and then real performance hypnosis.

The observations of Kevin and Mr. Mouse are spot on. I have tried to assist Impulse and offer him advice both here and in the mentalism forums and it seems like short cuts and low-ball things is where his interests seem to favor. We all know the story and how it ends up. Magician mentalities prevail. I'm guessing the training course may not lead him necessarily either. Some people here just don't realize who they are talking to or communicating with and who and what they are dismissing. Hilarious.

As I say in the business section, which also applies here as well, "be careful to whom you listen to."
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I believe he stated somewhere he was in his thirties unless I'm confusing him with some other newbie here.
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We're probably not supposed to talk about it because there's more or less no chance of that conversation being remotely productive, and it will almost certainly dive straight south into ad hominem and other disruptive issues.
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On Jul 6, 2017, kevinuncanny wrote:
You're right Impulse. Why spend money on real learning when you have books?

I don't understand why doctors even bother going to med school when they can just read about it.

Why do actors go to workshops when they can buy a book?

Can you believe comedians actually attended classes when there are 100's of books on the subject?

If you want to have a career, learn from people who are really doing it. Learn what you are really doing with volunteers and learn to do it right.

I think I've exhausted myself on this thread.

IMHO, Both books are learning with real performers are important.
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I don't think it's a matter of format (books, audio programs, DVDs, etc.) as much as it is an issue if credibility, comprehensive knowledge and actual professional experience. Actually now more than ever as so much junk is out by many with minimal or no actual experience. Same for youtube. Some of the worst content being passed off as "information" or "knowledge" is all over the internet.

Start by doing your research of who is the most credible in your specific are of interest, then dig deeper. I have been seeing podcasts, courses and books with absolutely terrible "training" by those that haven't a clue. Remember there are many more wannebees than actual skilled and credible resources. Your first job is to be aware of this, understand the differences and use this info to do your due diligence.
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Toni- books are a great add on. I still read books on hypnosis. But I believe a live training is far more effective.
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I learned how to do stage hypnosis from books. All of them by Ormond McGill. I had great difficulty at first until I met a seasoned stage hypnotist who gave me the real secret to hypnosis which I won't mention here. I then realisee the whole thing was much easier than I first thought. Except for one thing. I had to actually go out and do a live show and that does take some guts!

So I practiced to invisible people and then I had circumstances open up to me where I could do as many free shows as I wanted. That way there was no pressure on me since nobody was paying me anyway. Here were the results of my first seven shows.

1. It went remarkably well and everyone went along with my suggestions. I just said what I was supposed to say and was ASTONISHED to see people acting crazy! I was more amazed than the audience and couldn't believe what was happening.
2. Show number two was not quite so successful and died a complete death without anyone doing what they were supposed to do.
3. Show number three died a death.
4. Show number four was a complete failure.
5. Show number five died the most horrible death known to man.
6. Show number six? I was beginning to think I was doing something wrong because this show was an abject failure too. If it hadn't been for the first good show I would have given up.
7. Show number Seven. Terrific results.

And after that things improved and pretty soon the bad shows started to disappear into unpleasant memory. I am pretty good at it now! But you have to suffer the rough first before you get to the smooth.
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This is true of any performance art.

Nobody starts out being great, or even remotely good. Regardless of the age at which you start.
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<BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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I did get better results when I first started to do kid shows. The first show was great, the second was terrible and the third one was pretty good. And from then on it was plain sailing. So that was relatively easy.

However, it got REALLY tough when I first started to read palms and tarot. It took me ages and ages and ages to get the hang of it. But then I eventually figured it out.

But here is a strange thing. When I first started it took me about two and a half years before I could do a deceptive double lift. It was truly murder to learn. But I learned the pass in ten minutes! All the books said it would take months if not years!
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