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donny Loyal user Colorado 263 Posts |
Forget the Triple. Just buy a shimmed expanded shell (read no magnet[or you will have a problem]. yes to steel shim) and use with your regular TUC. Buy a boatload of TUCs and your parts WILL be interchangeable. Funsway is right, I think, get a few sun/moon types to maximize the effect. Anyone understand? I hope this will save you all some money and improve your magic. I'm out $120 for the Triple TUC
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Stephon Johnson Special user Razorback Country 544 Posts |
I’m happy with the Triple TUC. My only issue is a simple, smooth reset after “locking” the shimmed shell onto the front face of TUC. Having to “hiding away” to dislodge the shell from the TUC itself for reset is a NO GO for me! I will experiment with a magnet in my pocket that will attract the shiim shell and “repel” the TUC to separate them. I only do stroll & table magic that has quick/easy or auto reset.
Steph
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
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On Jan 23, 2018, donny wrote: Different TUCs are slightly different - over the several I've tried, some were interchangeable, and others weren't. I don't think that's particular to the Triple TUC. Both TUCs (not the third part) are also standard-sized half dollars - there would have been no reason to reduce it. But there is some variance in half dollar sizes, so perhaps that's what you're experiencing. It's also worth noting that "being a hair smaller" doesn't prevent use of shells - only being "a hair too large" would. Sure, the fit might not be perfect, but you typically won't get that unless you're buying a specific matched set of coins + shell. All that said, it's possible to buy a shimmed shell separately, but you'll have to make sure the balance is right - it's why there's a difference between a hand-constructed triple threat and one that's been made so the connections aren't too strong or loose. Another option is to go for the shimmed slippery shell instead, which gives different kinds of possibilities. I know that was suggested long before the Triple TUC came out. As far as favorite gaffs go, the ones you list are nice, but I'm not sure I'd agree with your claim. "Best is all relative", and subject to opinion. Maybe I'm a big fan of color changes, so I like C/S and Sun/Moon coins, instead. I'm no less wrong. |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Some history and mystery (for me)
When the TUC first came out and I got involved, there were many queries to Marcello about other options such as ShimSlip. At the same time other combo coins were being manufactured and hyped. Communication has never been great, mostly language. I have never been sure about the accuracy of information from around the world, i.e. a lot of magicians might say "wouldn't it be kool if ..." when they are not buyers or earnest performers. Marcello has a passion for wanting to make things simple at a price most can afford. Methinks he tries placate everyone, confusing "Internet excitement" excitement over market research. At his request I began exploring applications for a Shimmed Slippery Shell (ShimSlip) as an "Add On" to a TUC. It would fit on any TUC and also be shiftable to other coins. I created several new effect base don using the TUC as a "resting place" for the ShimSlip until needed. I found little additional value for the triple split function. Perhaps I am biased by not grasping the value added for an audience in such effects that cannot be gained by simple sleights. To any persons discussing effects/techniques in "T.U.C. Appreciation" I also recommended they become proficient in dozens of TUC effects before adding and extra gaff. I do not know where the ShimSlip morphed into the full shell sold as a Triple Unit rather than an Add On. Never got a good answer beyond "customer requests." I willing beta tested the new product and submitted several effect to Marcello - no real feedback So, despite my personal misgivings as to value (not just money), I will accept that the design and functionality is based on requests and feedback from many users and wannabe's around the world. It is not for everyone. I suggest that a buyer have a specific need for the feature rather than some hope it will open new worlds of possibilities. For those who just want anew toy I suggest getting the C/S version so that additional possibilities do exist. Getting one is not "a mistake" if based on realistic expectations of how you plan on using it - but probably a mistake if based on someone else's imagined like/hate. It is a tool. Don't buy a new set of metric wrenches if you do not own a car. Don't buy a rice maker and complain if it doesn't bake a cake. ........ as an additional thought. In all of the feedback I have received from "T.U.C. Appreciation" with more than 60 effects and some special techniques, no one has ever listed more than six(6) effects that they do regularly. So, what are people looking for in and extra shell? What want or expectation from their audience drives this need for a new gimmick? What effect were they performing before that did not get the response they desired? With better info I might create some new effects of this device, or publish some of what is already developed.
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donny Loyal user Colorado 263 Posts |
Two gets attention, Three is WOW! Coins vanish, then change to different coin! - my favorite TUC effect.
@tonsofquestions: My outer [ on the TRIPLE will not fit over a normal size coin. A standard [ will not fit over the outer Triple [. Thus, maybe my Triple set is just smaller (un-intentionally) than my other TUCs. Thanks for info.
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Stephon Johnson Special user Razorback Country 544 Posts |
Donny, you are right. Triple TUC shell is “partially expanded” and the TUC is “slightly milled down”. I’m not sure WHY Mr Tango chose to do that; rather than a Regular TUC + Expanded Shell! This makes it unable to combine with other gaffs. When I first got it, I thought “I will replace his shell with my Expanded shell” then I found the TUC was smaller than a regular coin.
Steph
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
In an amusing coincidence, I was seeing a friend from my local magic circle tonight, who got the triple TUC a while back.
I asked to take a look, citing this thread, and this was not our experience. Regular coins fit in the expanded shell, as did my TUC. I wonder if there's something different about newer ones (I recall Mr. Tango said he'd changed something), or the older TUCs. Perhaps he'll chime in here with more detail. If I can ask - when did you get your Triple TUC? Was it one of the early ones, or a more recent acquisition? |
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donny Loyal user Colorado 263 Posts |
Okay, I was under a false assumption based on the TUC coins I have (8 and one Triple). I had concluded that the Triple was a hair smaller than the regular TUCs. But given your reports, tonsofquestions, I have to conclude that this is not always the case and in fact, variance of both smaller/larger can occur.
Thanks much and sorry for the prior mis-information. I purchased my Triple recently from H*cus P*cus, should that be meaningful to you.
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debaser Special user Boulder 557 Posts |
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On Jun 9, 2017, funsway wrote: Can you do a visually identical version of Klause's soleil et lune with the s/m tuc? thanks |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
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On Aug 16, 2018, debaser wrote: not familiar with that effect so can't give an opinion.
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Rainboguy Inner circle 1915 Posts |
I just purchased one of the Eisenhower sets, and even though I must say that I LOVE the concept and the TUC: the shim shell itself is a problem for me in that it's NOT easy nor user friendly to dislodge, unlike the TUC thin coin, and I must say that this bothers me. Does this mean that the shim shell is defective or needs repairing? Or would I just be better off using an "external" Slippery Sam type half-shell Ike dollar instead?
I was originally thinking about getting a tri color Dollar set for additional flexibility with my Triple TUC Ike, but I need to get this shell problem solved, first. I would be interested in seeing what Mr. Tango has to say about this and/or I welcome helpful advice from those of you who are experienced users of this coin set. Thanks in advance for your help! |
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
I did not like the magnetic locking mechanism with the triple. Instead, I use a regular IKE TUC with a Lassen Exp... Sh.. and it works just fine. the only sacrifice is that the exp.. sh.. is not a perfect match with the TUC. As such, the coins "talk" so you have to adjust your handling.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
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On Aug 23, 2021, Rainboguy wrote: from my notes back when this was in test form with a set Marcello sent me to evaluate/create effects for -- the magnetic attraction was designed to be easy in one arrangement and 'locking" in the other. It may have been changed since then, but if your set is difficult to separate from the locked position there is nothing wrong with it. This may restrict usage for some intended Effects but has an advantage in others. In our early discussions while I was writing "T.U.C. Appreciation" I had though the next development would be a SlipperyShell add on and was surprised when the final product was 'limited use' Triple. He made the decision from feedback from around the world, so somebody must like the strong locking idea. However, my resistance to the Triple comes from "value added for the money invested" rather than the design or advantages/limitations. One should always look to the desired results and work backwards to the needed gaff or sleight. (opinion) For me, there is no result for the triple combination (any manufacturer) that cannot be achieved by other means and less expense. (but I have not tried them all)
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ltrblst Loyal user 226 Posts |
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On Sep 4, 2021, funsway wrote: Interesting, by that do you mean just TUC + e******d s****l or other combinations? |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
I am not sure what other combinations are available, but in every demo I have seen the combo does not justify the cost for me,
and in some cases requires a handling that I think detracts from my 'most be magic' objective. perhaps the problem is that the Effects achievable with the triple are not ones I want to do. I use the TUC for my "No Touch 3Fly" and having an extra Sh**l has no advantage. If I want to produce 3-4 coins out of thin air, I can do that with no gaff cleaner than using one (Eminent Coins) If I use coins selected by spectators from a basket there is no value in producing extra coins, but I have used my C/S-TUC with an Exp [ to advantage after a switch in, but that never reveals three coins.
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GJo Loyal user 275 Posts |
Anyone compared Tango Triple TUC with Schoolcraft 3CM? Handling/Craftsmanship/Other factors?
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
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On Mar 27, 2023, GJo wrote: It's a completely unfair question because they're not particularly similar items, and their manufacture is completely different - so of course they're going to cost different amounts. The Schoolcraft 3CM is (I believe) only sold in silver (which is also a big part of your price difference). It's custom made to order, hand tuned, and there are long lead times. Months. But build quality and tolerances will be extremely high. The Triple TUC is mass manufacturered. The build quality is significantly lower, but you could get one at a physical store immediately, or order today and have it in your hands within a week - or sooner if you're willing to pay for faster shipping. They're typically clad coins, though there is a silver one, but at that point the price is becomes much closer: https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S25123 Even aside from build quality - they're not the same gaff at all. Despite the name, the Triple TUC is not a typical Triple Nest gimmick. It's a TUC with an extra turtle, and my experience was that it took some force to dislodge, rather than largely being balanced to the weight of the insert. At the same time, the TUC (by itself) is quite different than just a coin plus turtle. It handles differently, separates differently, and offers a number of alternative functionality. I know Funsway has a whole book dedicated just to it. On the other hand, the inner part is more sensitive to display as it's much thinner than the smallest part of a 3CM - partly due to different decisions around coverage and action. So yes, the handling is completely different, as is the craftsmanship. But this isn't a question of "is a 3CM better made than Triad Coins" (ignoring the M part)", or even "Who makes a better Dean's shell set, Tango, Kueppers, or Schoolcraft" (or anyone else). It's more like asking if a Split Coin or a Slippery Sam is better. You can do some similar things with them, but they have very different purposes. |
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GJo Loyal user 275 Posts |
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On Mar 26, 2023, tonsofquestions wrote: Thanks. I was under the mistaken impression they are similar gaffs. |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
As much as I am fascinated by the possibilities of the TUC, if price is the major consideration, get a 'Sucker Punch' set for less the $40.
In many setting the poker chips are more natural and can even be gifted away. A majority of TUC effects can be achieved with this set. Then, after mastering a couple of routines, you can better assess the relative value of the more expensive coin sets. As always, your presentation is more important than the gimmick or prop. What effects are your planning on presenting the require a gaff/gimmick? What is your planned setting and audience? What other effects will be in your presentation set. In my scant recent experiences, expensive coins are viewed with suspicion and can detract from the magical impact s observers scan their phone for available solutions. So, I always have a spectator select coins from a bowl/basket and hand them to me (for an easy switch). Then again they might steal your Morgans. My point is that any investment in a prop must be balanced against audience expectations and experience with live magic. For most random audiences today I stick with 'found' objects like candy or coffee creamers. Yes, I feel a TUC should be in every performer's pouch. Triples and extensions, not so much. If I cannot perform at least six different effects with a prop/gimmick/gaff it stays in my drawer. I have a $100 silk tie in my closet - beautiful, hand painted. Wear it? naa
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GJo Loyal user 275 Posts |
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On Jan 21, 2018, PhilJake wrote: Meir Yedid's Triple TUC video was well worth the $5 price. Thanks to @PhilJake for the suggestion! |
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