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furmanmatt
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Anyone "teaching" on YouTube is exposing. YouTube is a public forum where anybody and everybody can learn the secrets. Teaching is a crutch for wannabe magicians who cannot perform tricks for people, which is the exact job of a magician.

Nowadays all you need to do to be a "magician" is to subscribe to one of these "wannabe magicians."

Man, are things screwed up!!!
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On Jul 4, 2017, furmanmatt wrote:
Anyone "teaching" on YouTube is exposing. YouTube is a public forum where anybody and everybody can learn the secrets. Teaching is a crutch for wannabe magicians who cannot perform tricks for people, which is the exact job of a magician.

Nowadays all you need to do to be a "magician" is to subscribe to one of these "wannabe magicians."

Man, are things screwed up!!!


So Xavior Spade is a wannabe magician who cannot perform tricks for people?! You're an NYC guy and you're saying this?!
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On Jul 4, 2017, furmanmatt wrote:
Anyone "teaching" on YouTube is exposing. YouTube is a public forum where anybody and everybody can learn the secrets. Teaching is a crutch for wannabe magicians who cannot perform tricks for people, which is the exact job of a magician.

Nowadays all you need to do to be a "magician" is to subscribe to one of these "wannabe magicians."

Man, are things screwed up!!!


So Xavior Spade is a wannabe magician who cannot perform tricks for people?! You're an NYC guy and you're saying this?!


Also add Ramsay, Maddison, Sankey, Vinh and Asad from 52K, the list goes on and on.

TBH I'm not really that impressed with Matt's presentation of his tricks... he speaks to his specs with the same monotone voice with one tone inflection over and over. Heaven forbid they talk to him while he's performing as well. The technique is good, but not entertaining.
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Being technically good and being a good performer doesn't justify the action of exposing on youtube. 'teaching' on youtube where everybody has access to equals exposing. the difference is that 'teaching' is 'exposing' in much greater detail.
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I just saw this thread. Don't know if this fits - but a fan of mine put me on YouTube performing about 35 of my items from my "Best Ever" 4-vol. DVD set. No teaching; just the performances. I'm not even sure how to get there - I'm a terrible computer person. Try this: www.youtube.com/harrylorayneonvideo.
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Being technically good and being a good performer doesn't justify the action of exposing on youtube. 'teaching' on youtube where everybody has access to equals exposing. the difference is that 'teaching' is 'exposing' in much greater detail.


It's just as easy to go to the library and borrow RRCM to learn a DL as it is to go on Youtube and look it up. Also, I don't know any laymen that went to Youtube after they watched a performance just to figure the trick out... not to mention they would have to know what they're looking for so that they don't go down a rabbit hole.

I very respectfully disagree that Youtube tutorials are the same as exposing magic.
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Boy! If that "ain't" exposing I sure don't know what is.
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Again, I respectfully disagree. Through that thought process, The Magic Café is just one huge magic exposure site... if we go deeper, then all magic books are just exposure. We should get rid of all forms of magic in any media format and only spread the craft via word of mouth.

It's just as easy to search the magic Café or go to the library to find the exact same stuff that's on youtube.
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Respectfully...sorry, but you're wrong. And in most cases you at least have to PAY for a good magic book. Aside from THE MAGIC BOOK which I wrote for the public - I don't think you'll find the books that I wrote for magicians in the library. Not usually anyway.

YouTube tutorials are not only exposure - they're also usually, most often, at least those I've seen - TERRIBLE. And - many who do those terrible tutorials are thieves. Again, I know I've seen terrible so-called magicians teaching my stuff - terribly. I hate to visualize the future of magic if most are "learning" from YouTube tutorials. (Free is usually lousy!)
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Youtube "tutorials" are exposures. Period. And most of the time, these thieves are exposing others' pet effects without permission.
Horrific.
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Exactly.
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I've never once had to pay for a book at the library [I've seen Royal Road, Card College, and Expert at the Card Table all at the library], I've never once had to pay to search the forums here at TMC, and some magic books are so old that their copyrights have expired. I know that there have previously been copies of Royal Road to Card Magic, Tarbell, and Expert at the Card Table provided free of cost due to copyright expiration.

There are several barriers that must be hurdled when watching YT videos:

1) Laypeople don't even know where to start searching regarding a trick they've seen.. "Magic shuffle turn one card over" How many tricks can you think of with that same effect?
2) Even if they eventually find the method to the effect, what are the chances that they would even understand what the person teaching is telling them to do? They have no foundation so they definitely won't be learning the trick. *What in the heck is a diagonal palm shift?*
3) Don't overestimate the drive laypeople have to figure out a trick.
4) No amount of YouTube videos will make you a good performer.
5) Youtube videos show ~~A routine~~ they do not show how to make it your own.

It sounds like you're describing thinly veiled technophobia, which is fine, but even if you hate the idea of tutorials being on YouTube... it's happening. As Bruce Lee said, "Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind." I'm sure the computer technicians of the late 90's were terrified for their work as well when Google started becoming more and more used. "How can I keep my job in technology if everyone can just search how to fix their own stuff." You simply cannot underestimate the laziness of people that do not want to do something.

Whether or not the trick/technique is performed well is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
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The Expert at the Card Table is free online - so it is both lousy and exposure?
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Youtube "tutorials" are exposures. Period. And most of the time, these thieves are exposing others' pet effects without permission.
Horrific.

There's actually a huge movement in the YT Magic community about crediting.
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Tutorial exposures which are without permission are highly unethical. And I definitely agree with Harry, that they are often TERRIBLE (and therefore, not really teaching magic). That said, some performers like Jay Sankey on occasion may post a youtube tutorial here and there of his own material. I've noticed that these particular "tutorials" serve the purpose of steering you into his website to learn some REAL stuff. It's interesting, but the same problem pops up for "music exposures".... usually lousy, sometimes wrong, and NOT a learning experience. Lynn
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Keep on feeling terrific about "never paying for a book at the library" and good magic writers will stop writing good magic books. And if you don't know why, lemme' 'splain --- taking a book out of the library doesn't put any money into the writer's pocket.

Anyway, as usual, to each his own. Me? I'll go along with, always will: "YouTube "tutorials" are exposures. Period. And most of the time, these thieves are exposing others' pet effects without permission. Horrific."
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So now we're trying to destroy the oppressive library regime. For Christ's sake.
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PigCake is a nice resource; he combines dank humour with filthy lousy youtube exposoure. An absolute joy to watch - 11/10 - I can recommend.
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Did Erdnase, Hugard, Braue, Giobbi write their books to freely offer to the general public? No, it's the policy of the public library and law of copyright expiration that eventually made them accessible freely to the public. And only very few copies are in the libraries.
Totally different purposes and intentions with youtube tutorial makers. To my knowledge, they want subscribers, the more the better.
I don't understand why you want the general public to know the magic secrets. Some youtube turtorial makers have absolutely great techniques; if they put their tutorials on their websites w/ proper crediting and permissions, and screen who can see them, whether w/ or w/o charge, it could be a good thing.
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The fact is that the magic on YT situation isn't going away.. so how does the magic community adapt? Trying to forcefully stop it obviously isn't working.
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