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EagerlyLearning New user 93 Posts |
I have one question regarding the double-lift, and that is the moment right after, when you have turned the double face down again on top of the pack, and you are going to push over only one card. I find this difficult, due to the friction created between the two cards (created by the double lift) these cards tend to stick together. And I find that a quick, smooth transition between these two actions (turning the double face down, sliding over the top card) is very important for a convincing illusion. Any tips? I've had some trial en error, e.g. trying to squeeze the pack slightly, trying to position my left fingers in different ways, but I haven't found a good consistent solution yet.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
In order to answer this I think we would have to know what type of DL you are using. I use a strike so this never happen s because I am feeling for the thickness of cards.
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EagerlyLearning New user 93 Posts |
I use a pretty standard double lift (such as taught in Card College), gripping the card at the corner. But the main point is the push-over by the left thumb after the double card is turned back over onto the top of the deck. Both cards tend to be pushed over, rather then only one...
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
I never had this problem. When you push, you gauge with left fingers.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
You should be flipping the card the exact same way every time. If you don't do a push off double, you shouldn't be pushing the single over.
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
James. seems like you didn't understand what he's talking about.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
If you're having any difficulty pushing off the single top card, one likely culprit is very dry hands; Your left thumb, in particular. To verify the theory (but NOT for performance), lick the pad of your left thumb before doing the pushoff and see if that makes it easier. If so, then dryness is the problem. To remedy that, there are an abundance of solutions that people swear by around here. Do a search for "dry hands" and you'll see dozens of great recommendations. My personal favorites are:
Good luck!
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
EL, I think you're trying too hard.
Just take the top card as if it were a normal deck (which it is). Most of these kinds of issues are due to tension in your hands. Relax your hands, pause, and... just take the **** card. :) I think you'll find that will be the best solution to this "non issue".
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
I believe what EL is saying is that the above turnover facilitates a little vacuum between the two cards.
This is a common problem. It can be remedied by a) a quick, gentle squeeze of the deck to separate the two cards, b) a softer or harder pressure, depending on the quality of the deck, or c) a contextual workaround -- that is to say, contriving to allow for a different pick up of the single card. |
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Simon: he said he grips the double the first time at corner and then pushes off the second. I definitely understand. If he's using a pinky count, then count 1 card and grip for the single turnover.
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
James, the second time is not necessarily to turn over the card. Sometimes after the double turnover, you immediately push the top card over and set it face down on the table. I think that's what he's trying to do.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Oh I apologize I see what you're saying. He could still use a pinky count and grab the card at the corner and put it down though. I'll be quiet now haha.
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arthur stead Inner circle When I played soccer, I hit 1773 Posts |
Here’s how I do it:
When the double is turned over, the first digit my left first finger (index finger) keeps the deck squared at the front. My 2nd, 3rd and 4th fingers support the right side of the deck. So after the double is flipped over, when my left thumb pushes off a single card, those fingers (2nd, 3rd and 4th) push up to prevent any other cards from coming along. Does that make sense? |
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Sidney A. Salmans New user 45 Posts |
I am wondering if you are using a deck that has been handled a lot. Therefore, the cards have lost the slickness of a new deck? I find that a deck of cards do not last very long before I need to change out for a new one. Also, I would agree with the comment about dry hands too. I do understand the principle of the vacuum created between the double, but I just tried it with a deck that I have here, that is not a totally new deck, and have not encountered a problem. I have very dry hands also.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
When it comes down to it, isn't this thread about how to do something that every layman can do every single time with no issue.
taking just the top card off off a deck of cards?
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Jul 22, 2017, TheAmbitiousCard wrote: No. It's about overcoming the vacuum effect created between two cards when they're turned over as one. |
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MagicJuggler Inner circle Anchorage, AK 1161 Posts |
It is totally normal for a second card to spread below the card you're pushing off to table a card or to turn over the card again. In most cases this will not draw attention to itself at all. So unless there's a really important reason for the top card to come off as a clean single I wouldn't even worry about something this trivial.
If the cards are sticking and staying perfectly aligned I usually use my middle finger to hold back the second card as I push the top over, sometimes giving a little squeeze.
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lynnef Inner circle 1407 Posts |
In one of my old instructional tapes from Richard Kaufmann, he says "let it fall naturally" in BOTH stages of the DL! There is indeed a kind of natural vacuum effect (think about air pressure from both sides, when you've pinched the cards together); but allowing the double to fall without holding onto it at the last micro-second might help alleviate the vacuum problem at the crucial moment. Hope it helps (along with advice about dry hands)! Lynn
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danaruns Special user The City of Angels 808 Posts |
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On Jun 30, 2017, SimonCard wrote: If he's setting it down on the table, then there is actually no need to return the double to the deck, at all. Simply do a toss change, which leaves the top card on the table and the shown card palmed.
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furmanmatt Loyal user New York 217 Posts |
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