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I think one needs to truly posses that famous gift sense in order to grasp the ideas behind the concepts discussed above. You try to cheat and fail, so everyone knows that you are a bad cheater and ONLY AFTER THAT you cheat them for realz.

Rename "The Gambling Spot" to "The Masters of Deception" immediately!
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...You try to cheat and fail, so everyone knows that you are a bad cheater and ONLY AFTER THAT you cheat them for realz...


Oh...but...isn't that kind of sneaky and somewhat devious?

Which reminds me...

A hustler friend of mine was making a play against the shoe at a major strip resort in Vegas. What they had "down" on the play is not important.

The man in charge of the Blackjack/Roulette games on a 24 hour basis was in the pit at the time. (Let's call him "Big Boss.") Big Boss evidently was a half-ass counter and knew basic strategy. He used that knowledge to distinguish good BJ players from poor players.

My friend (the hustler) was playing third base and his partner was playing on first. Big Boss sees my friend playing significant money and winning so he stood directly behind him to watch his play more closely. (My friend, had been "duked in" as a high limit credit player).

Big Boss watches my friend's play for about 5 minutes. My friend knew Big Boss was watching but continued to take "dead aim' at the game because he knew Big Boss was really a big mouthed, know it all, half-smart chump that got "juiced" into his job.

Because the hustler was not playing basic strategy, at least not the way Big Boss would expect it to be played, Big Boss got tired of watching and walked away. His partner on 1st base overheard Big Boss say to the floorman that was assigned to this area of the pit: "This guy on 3rd is a real chump. He is playing lucky now, but give him time. He will lose all he has won and then some. Let him keep playing and amusing himself. He has no idea of what he is doing."

So my friend pretty much had carte blanche after that, continued to get all his comps and then some, and was considered to be a very valuable "whale." Over the next couple of years, he and his partner won a ton of money in that joint. They were never caught, or even suspected for that matter, but eventually technical conditions changed and they had to move on.

...And there are a million stories like that.
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Important note!

If some of you find my posts sarcastic, well... I accept it. After all those years, you should now get used to my style and my (probably) unusual sense of humour may (at times) collide with yours. But all this is just a game and those who deal with me for more than 15 years know that I respect everyone, as long as there is a mutual respect of course.

I have NOTHING against Joe Crist, I don't know him. If some famous Magicians say good things about him, he is probably skilled. I'm probably making more fun about the guys buying a $200 book which will teach them nothing than anything else. I wish him good luck with his project, sincerely.

And when I say that he is a genius, I REALLY mean it! After all he posts on Instagram (which make no sense in terms of Gambling), he still gets more buyers! I say it again, he is a genius. Selling a book teaching the slip cut or a one handed shift and talking about Gambling at the same time, if this is not being a true genius, I don't know what a genius is!

@Cag, you killed me lol.
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What’s the bet that the shade for the shift is to block it with your right arm?
It’s strange, the guy has chomps but the more he talks the less impressed I am.
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Well Ben Earl has made his opinion quite clear on Instagram... I never went for the book in the end, it was either that or the Johnny Thompson book. I think I made the right choice and will stick to rereading my battered paperback edition of Erdnase that I have had for years
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On Dec 2, 2017, disgruntledpuffin wrote:
Has anyone here heard the terms "high line" in relation to card work or "kings" in relation to bottoms? Literally never heard them before Joe started an insta account. Just curious if they are well known terms.



Curiously, the only other person I ever heard use the term "high line" cheat or "high line thief" was Rod the Hop. He said it on more than one occasion. Never heard bottoms called "kings" though.

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Well Ben Earl has made his opinion quite clear on Instagram... I never went for the book in the end, it was either that or the Johnny Thompson book. I think I made the right choice and will stick to rereading my battered paperback edition of Erdnase that I have had for years


What did Ben Earl say on Instagram?
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This is Ben’s post if the link works:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeVo2rXnXlL/

It’s interesting. If he didn’t have so a number of well known and technically gifted guys vouching for him I would ride him off, but I still haven’t seen enough to really want to invest in another copy of Erdnase with picture...let alone buy three copies of the book as I believe some have.
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This is Ben’s post if the link works:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeVo2rXnXlL/

It’s interesting. If he didn’t have so a number of well known and technically gifted guys vouching for him I would ride him off, but I still haven’t seen enough to really want to invest in another copy of Erdnase with picture...let alone buy three copies of the book as I believe some have.


Yes I believe if you purchased 3 copies of his book, you received his super secret tips on Erdnase's One Handed Shift! Well worth spending $900 I'm sure.
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Has anyone seen the latest tirade against Vernon? Can anyone corroborate on any/all of these quotes? I mean I heard he fell out with Cardini, but I thought he was quite tight with Charlie Miller and Steve Freeman. Also some of these quotes such as the one from Diaconis seem like they could have been taken out of context a little to be used to fit in with this narrative. I have heard Vernon loved Carlyle.
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On Jan 29, 2018, JasonEngland wrote:

Curiously, the only other person I ever heard use the term "high line" cheat or "high line thief" was Rod the Hop. He said it on more than one occasion.


From my experience usually the term used is "High Line Guy," sometimes used with similar terminology like, "He knows the 'real' ways."

This signifies a hustler, someone that has "been around"...a "capable" guy. Also, another expressions signifying the same thing is, "True Key Guy."
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Yes I believe if you purchased 3 copies of his book, you received his super secret tips on Erdnase's One Handed Shift! Well worth spending $900 I'm sure.


I thought this information wa so powerful I purchase 6 copies of his book. This way I could learn the Erdnase one-handed shift with BOTH the left and right hand.

Pretty clever on my part...Yes?
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On Jan 29, 2018, Bobbycash wrote:

This is Ben's post if the link works:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BeVo2rXnXlL/


I don't see the significance of this link. What am I missing?
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Cag,
The link was in reference to Danny’s post on the 26/01/2018 about Ben Earl making his opinion clear. I for one enjoyed the bit of mockery directed at Joe’s posts, they do seem a bit over the top. But I know some people enjoy them.
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Earl vs Crist? Are we witnessing a contest of humility and modesty?
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Well at least we know how well Earl handles cards Smile
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