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Peterson Regular user 159 Posts |
I think one needs to truly posses that famous gift sense in order to grasp the ideas behind the concepts discussed above. You try to cheat and fail, so everyone knows that you are a bad cheater and ONLY AFTER THAT you cheat them for realz.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Dec 5, 2017, Peterson wrote: Oh...but...isn't that kind of sneaky and somewhat devious? Which reminds me... A hustler friend of mine was making a play against the shoe at a major strip resort in Vegas. What they had "down" on the play is not important. The man in charge of the Blackjack/Roulette games on a 24 hour basis was in the pit at the time. (Let's call him "Big Boss.") Big Boss evidently was a half-ass counter and knew basic strategy. He used that knowledge to distinguish good BJ players from poor players. My friend (the hustler) was playing third base and his partner was playing on first. Big Boss sees my friend playing significant money and winning so he stood directly behind him to watch his play more closely. (My friend, had been "duked in" as a high limit credit player). Big Boss watches my friend's play for about 5 minutes. My friend knew Big Boss was watching but continued to take "dead aim' at the game because he knew Big Boss was really a big mouthed, know it all, half-smart chump that got "juiced" into his job. Because the hustler was not playing basic strategy, at least not the way Big Boss would expect it to be played, Big Boss got tired of watching and walked away. His partner on 1st base overheard Big Boss say to the floorman that was assigned to this area of the pit: "This guy on 3rd is a real chump. He is playing lucky now, but give him time. He will lose all he has won and then some. Let him keep playing and amusing himself. He has no idea of what he is doing." So my friend pretty much had carte blanche after that, continued to get all his comps and then some, and was considered to be a very valuable "whale." Over the next couple of years, he and his partner won a ton of money in that joint. They were never caught, or even suspected for that matter, but eventually technical conditions changed and they had to move on. ...And there are a million stories like that. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Important note!
If some of you find my posts sarcastic, well... I accept it. After all those years, you should now get used to my style and my (probably) unusual sense of humour may (at times) collide with yours. But all this is just a game and those who deal with me for more than 15 years know that I respect everyone, as long as there is a mutual respect of course. I have NOTHING against Joe Crist, I don't know him. If some famous Magicians say good things about him, he is probably skilled. I'm probably making more fun about the guys buying a $200 book which will teach them nothing than anything else. I wish him good luck with his project, sincerely. And when I say that he is a genius, I REALLY mean it! After all he posts on Instagram (which make no sense in terms of Gambling), he still gets more buyers! I say it again, he is a genius. Selling a book teaching the slip cut or a one handed shift and talking about Gambling at the same time, if this is not being a true genius, I don't know what a genius is! @Cag, you killed me lol. |
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Bobbycash Special user Australia 694 Posts |
What’s the bet that the shade for the shift is to block it with your right arm?
It’s strange, the guy has chomps but the more he talks the less impressed I am. |
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danny Loyal user England 269 Posts |
Well Ben Earl has made his opinion quite clear on Instagram... I never went for the book in the end, it was either that or the Johnny Thompson book. I think I made the right choice and will stick to rereading my battered paperback edition of Erdnase that I have had for years
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
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On Dec 2, 2017, disgruntledpuffin wrote: Curiously, the only other person I ever heard use the term "high line" cheat or "high line thief" was Rod the Hop. He said it on more than one occasion. Never heard bottoms called "kings" though. Jason
Eternal damnation awaits anyone who questions God's unconditional love. --Bill Hicks
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Magic-Daniel Inner circle Denmark 1328 Posts |
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On Jan 25, 2018, danny wrote: What did Ben Earl say on Instagram? |
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Bobbycash Special user Australia 694 Posts |
This is Ben’s post if the link works:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeVo2rXnXlL/ It’s interesting. If he didn’t have so a number of well known and technically gifted guys vouching for him I would ride him off, but I still haven’t seen enough to really want to invest in another copy of Erdnase with picture...let alone buy three copies of the book as I believe some have. |
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lagoss New user 19 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2018, Bobbycash wrote: Yes I believe if you purchased 3 copies of his book, you received his super secret tips on Erdnase's One Handed Shift! Well worth spending $900 I'm sure. |
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danny Loyal user England 269 Posts |
Has anyone seen the latest tirade against Vernon? Can anyone corroborate on any/all of these quotes? I mean I heard he fell out with Cardini, but I thought he was quite tight with Charlie Miller and Steve Freeman. Also some of these quotes such as the one from Diaconis seem like they could have been taken out of context a little to be used to fit in with this narrative. I have heard Vernon loved Carlyle.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2018, JasonEngland wrote: From my experience usually the term used is "High Line Guy," sometimes used with similar terminology like, "He knows the 'real' ways." This signifies a hustler, someone that has "been around"...a "capable" guy. Also, another expressions signifying the same thing is, "True Key Guy." |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2018, lagoss wrote: I thought this information wa so powerful I purchase 6 copies of his book. This way I could learn the Erdnase one-handed shift with BOTH the left and right hand. Pretty clever on my part...Yes? |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Jan 29, 2018, Bobbycash wrote: I don't see the significance of this link. What am I missing? |
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Bobbycash Special user Australia 694 Posts |
Cag,
The link was in reference to Danny’s post on the 26/01/2018 about Ben Earl making his opinion clear. I for one enjoyed the bit of mockery directed at Joe’s posts, they do seem a bit over the top. But I know some people enjoy them. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Earl vs Crist? Are we witnessing a contest of humility and modesty?
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Bobbycash Special user Australia 694 Posts |
Well at least we know how well Earl handles cards
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Geeraff12 New user Tasmania, Australia 74 Posts |
Simply as a citation for the record,the bottom palm replacement taught in Roger Pierre's "The Magic of Francis Carlyle'(1975) Lesson Three p.36 is credited in the contents to Joe Christ.
I messaged @oldschoolorp and he kindly took time to reply, confirmed that was indeed him and a typo. G |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16532 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16532 Posts |
In crime a high line crook is one above others: “Robert De Niro stars as Neal McCauley, a high line criminal who knows how to rob. He works with a good crew.”
If you are working on the front line then you are a street dealer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLY5h8FbM6k
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Gamblingman007 New user 65 Posts |
I was reading Joe Christ’s blog and ran across something a guy by the name of Doc wrote. Do you think that Joe is right or is Doc right? He wrote...
You call Steve a move junkie and maybe you’re right but from what I and others see it’s totally two different things. These readers here really can’t speak on certain situations because the majority of them are not gamblers so they wouldn’t know how to speak to you or differentiate between what you’re talking about. You write and say that it’s about quality instead of quantity and this is only half true; it’s according to how you look at it. Why? Because no one starts off anything or subject by being an expert, it normally take years of practicing, playing and being in different situations to become an expert at what you do. From my position I can literally say that you’re not a professional but that would be totally wrong for me to say because you’re not at my level. Let me give you an example to clarify what I’m actually saying. You call Walter Scott an expert (technically so do I because I learned my punch deal technique from him - his book actually) but at this stage in my gambling career he’s not. Am I correct for making this statement; technically yes because of my expertise but technically no because his moves still can get the money (but at a slower rate). I’m Doc (a Cold Deck Specialist) and I don’t have to go to a poker game and sneak my cards in for their cards, nor do I have to punch them while playing any longer like I used to just to beat them at playing poker like Walter Scott did. Does my now technique negate the fact that Walter Scott was not an expert...no, he just had a different style of winning the money which would eventually rank anyone playing this way because he would always (with this technique) win on his deal and this would bring suspension on the dead like it did on me in my lifetime. To me this is what you’re saying about Steve. I’m going on record to say that I personally sat at a round table at Steve’s home and listened to a conversation between Steve and Rod the Hop talk about how they were at the same gambling spot cheating when the cops raided it. Rod was surprised after Steve mentioned that he frequently played there but in a different room where Rod was a stationary dealer. They said something about Gardenia times and they spoke about a guy by the name of Moon who fumbled his stolen card...I really didn’t understand what time period that was but I still have the conversation between them two on video-tape if I have to present it proving that both did gamble at one time for a living. The Gamblingman007 |
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