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If anyone here is in favor of making all drugs legal were in HR ... would you rather hire someone who uses said drugs or someone who is drug free and not dependent on them? If so why or why not? It seems to me that if one feels that it causes no harm and is fine, then a person using drugs is just as competent as one who does not use in your opinion. Of course I see things differently. Going to prison and money saved by making drugs legal is not relevant as there is no proof that this will save money in the long run. It will just ignore such criminal acts as DUI and just label them accidents. Somehow this does not solve any problem. YMMV on this. But it makes drugs legal and to some that is all that matters.


You're operating on a false dichotomy. To favor legalization is not to suggest that a drug causes no harm and is fine.

As for the economics, from a purely financial standpoint, it's almost impossible for me to believe that given the costs of not only oncarceration, but also investigation and enforecement, AND the forsake sales tax revenue, thAt legalization, certainly of certain now-illegal drugs, wouldn't be a big net positive. But, of course, cost is just one piece of the puzzle.
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If anyone here is in favor of making all drugs legal were in HR ... would you rather hire someone who uses said drugs or someone who is drug free and not dependent on them? If so why or why not? It seems to me that if one feels that it causes no harm and is fine, then a person using drugs is just as competent as one who does not use in your opinion. Of course I see things differently. Going to prison and money saved by making drugs legal is not relevant as there is no proof that this will save money in the long run. It will just ignore such criminal acts as DUI and just label them accidents. Somehow this does not solve any problem. YMMV on this. But it makes drugs legal and to some that is all that matters.


Also, just as with alcohol, there's no reason that legalizing other drugs would mean that driving under the influence wouldn't still be a criminal activity.
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I think it would stop a lot of heroin use if they let prisoners take the pot. Over here they say pot stays in your system for about a month, whereas heroine only stays in your system for a day or so, therefore, then, we take heroine rather than pot to avoid failing the random drug tests in jail. Pot heads often go in and come out real junkies.
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On Jul 11, 2017, acesover wrote:
If anyone here is in favor of making all drugs legal were in HR ... would you rather hire someone who uses said drugs or someone who is drug free and not dependent on them? If so why or why not? It seems to me that if one feels that it causes no harm and is fine, then a person using drugs is just as competent as one who does not use in your opinion. Of course I see things differently. Going to prison and money saved by making drugs legal is not relevant as there is no proof that this will save money in the long run. It will just ignore such criminal acts as DUI and just label them accidents. Somehow this does not solve any problem. YMMV on this. But it makes drugs legal and to some that is all that matters.


Also, just as with alcohol, there's no reason that legalizing other drugs would mean that driving under the influence wouldn't still be a criminal activity.


So in effect, if I am to understand your response to my post, you feel that favoring something that causes harm is ok, as long as we pass a law making it legal. OK gotcha. We just see things differently.

I do agree with you correcting my wrong judgement of "under the influence" wouldn't be a criminal activity, I totally agree with you that it still could and probably would be under the fact that drugs would now be legal. My bad on that one.
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If anyone here is in favor of making all drugs legal were in HR ... would you rather hire someone who uses said drugs or someone who is drug free and not dependent on them? If so why or why not? It seems to me that if one feels that it causes no harm and is fine, then a person using drugs is just as competent as one who does not use in your opinion. Of course I see things differently. Going to prison and money saved by making drugs legal is not relevant as there is no proof that this will save money in the long run. It will just ignore such criminal acts as DUI and just label them accidents. Somehow this does not solve any problem. YMMV on this. But it makes drugs legal and to some that is all that matters.


You're operating on a false dichotomy. To favor legalization is not to suggest that a drug causes no harm and is fine.

As for the economics, from a purely financial standpoint, it's almost impossible for me to believe that given the costs of not only oncarceration, but also investigation and enforecement, AND the forsake sales tax revenue, thAt legalization, certainly of certain now-illegal drugs, wouldn't be a big net positive. But, of course, cost is just one piece of the puzzle.


I would like to ask you a question. If "you" or should I say "we" knew the affects of tobacco and it was presently illegal, would you be willing to make it legal? Because many people say it clams them down and relaxes them.
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So in effect, if I am to understand your response to my post, you feel that favoring something that causes harm is ok, as long as we pass a law making it legal. OK gotcha. We just see things differently.


The idea that I intended to convey was, most simply, that not everything that is harmful should be illegal.
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So in effect, if I am to understand your response to my post, you feel that favoring something that causes harm is ok, as long as we pass a law making it legal. OK gotcha. We just see things differently.


The idea that I intended to convey was, most simply, that not everything that is harmful should be illegal.


LOL ... As I said we see things differently. However I am not going to directly respond to that slippery slope response of yours. Good one.
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When the state adds marijuana businesses and strip clubs to the list of businesses where electronic benefits cards can’t be used then the potheads will not be able to buy any pot anyhow or go to a strip club.
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So in effect, if I am to understand your response to my post, you feel that favoring something that causes harm is ok, as long as we pass a law making it legal. OK gotcha. We just see things differently.


The idea that I intended to convey was, most simply, that not everything that is harmful should be illegal.


LOL ... As I said we see things differently. However I am not going to directly respond to that slippery slope response of yours. Good one.


It's not a slippery slope response; in characterizing the discussion until now, you said, "..if one feels that it causes no harm and is fine..." I'm simply point out that to me, and for most people, saying that you think something should be legal is not the same as saying that it causes no harm and is fine. It's a very straightforward position; quite literally, the only possible disagreement with it is to take the position that everything that causes harm should be illegal.
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When the state adds marijuana businesses and strip clubs to the list of businesses where electronic benefits cards can’t be used then the potheads will not be able to buy any pot anyhow or go to a strip club.

Yes, because we all know that only poor people buy pot or go to strip clubs.
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I'm simply point out that to me, and for most people, saying that you think something should be legal is not the same as saying that it causes no harm and is fine. It's a very straightforward position; quite literally, the only possible disagreement with it is to take the position that everything that causes harm should be illegal.


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When the state ...

Yes, because we all know that only poor people buy pot or go to strip clubs.
Could you be any more offensive?


It's amazing how he says these things so casually.
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When the state adds marijuana businesses and strip clubs to the list of businesses where electronic benefits cards can’t be used then the potheads will not be able to buy any pot anyhow or go to a strip club.

Yes, because we all know that only poor people buy pot or go to strip clubs.
Could you be any more offensive?


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So now them poor potheads cannot buy from legal marijuana businesses what will them poor potheads do? Does Karl Marks have any advice for these poor potheads in their moment of need?

What do we want? Marijuana food stamps! When do we want them? Now!
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Http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/279630.php

I lost my 37 year old son this year. He hid his illness quite well and in every other way seemed to be a happy, well-adjusted successful adult. Of all my kids, he was the one that seemed to be the most 'together' and had the strongest will. He had been a high school wrestling star, put together his own kids wrestling team in Florida and had just returned from Kuwait. Turns out he was a heavy marijuana user and had had some severe paranoia issues. I strongly believe this contributed to the problems that caused him to take his life.
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Http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/279630.php

I lost my 37 year old son this year. He hid his illness quite well and in every other way seemed to be a happy, well-adjusted successful adult. Of all my kids, he was the one that seemed to be the most 'together' and had the strongest will. He had been a high school wrestling star, put together his own kids wrestling team in Florida and had just returned from Kuwait. Turns out he was a heavy marijuana user and had had some severe paranoia issues. I strongly believe this contributed to the problems that caused him to take his life.


https://www.drugabuse.gov/about-nida/nor......est-blog

Gotta get rid of those darn opioids too then.

Now, let's see about alcohol....
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...found one.

http://www.webmd.com/depression/guide/al......sssion#1

There goes the beer.

Oh well, can't have anything harmful laying around all legal like.
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So in effect, if I am to understand your response to my post, you feel that favoring something that causes harm is ok, as long as we pass a law making it legal. OK gotcha. We just see things differently.


The idea that I intended to convey was, most simply, that not everything that is harmful should be illegal.


LOL ... As I said we see things differently. However I am not going to directly respond to that slippery slope response of yours. Good one.


It's not a slippery slope response; in characterizing the discussion until now, you said, "..if one feels that it causes no harm and is fine..." I'm simply point out that to me, and for most people, saying that you think something should be legal is not the same as saying that it causes no harm and is fine. It's a very straightforward position; quite literally, the only possible disagreement with it is to take the position that everything that causes harm should be illegal.


Again I am not taking the bait for this argument. I am sure aspirin causes harm. I am just not going there with you as I know where this discussion will go.
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I lost my 37 year old son this year. He hid his illness quite well and in every other way seemed to be a happy, well-adjusted successful adult. Of all my kids, he was the one that seemed to be the most 'together' and had the strongest will. He had been a high school wrestling star, put together his own kids wrestling team in Florida and had just returned from Kuwait. Turns out he was a heavy marijuana user and had had some severe paranoia issues. I strongly believe this contributed to the problems that caused him to take his life.


I am extremely sorry for your loss. Probably the most devastating loss a parent can suffer. It is not supposed to happen that way. I can not even begin to understand how you feel.
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Rockwell, may we offer our condolences. We have seen such things happen with our own eyes as times gone bye.
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