The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Not very magical, still... » » Marijuana Decriminalization Leads to Violence...Reduction (7 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4~5~6~7~8 [Next]
LobowolfXXX
View Profile
Inner circle
La Famiglia
1168 Posts

Profile of LobowolfXXX
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, JoeJoe wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
How about all the kids and women killed and exploited by the pot industry? Ever look into THAT aspect of it?


Nobody kills anyone so they can get stoned - the people that do the killing are the people that "sell" the drugs. People don't fight over drugs, they fight over the drug money. Al Capone didn't kill people so he could get drunk, he killed people so he could get rich - duh.

There is no "drug violence" ... there is "drug law violence" ... get rid of the laws, you get rid of the violence. This is just common sense that some people are just too stupid to grasp.

-JoeJoe


This is an oversimplification the other way. It's a valid part I feel the story, but it's no time The Who,e story. The fact is that there IS crime, and he's, violent crime, committed by drug addicts (not pot) in order to get money for the next bit of crack, or meth, or heroin. There IS drug violence; it's not JUST drug law violence. And there are some people for whom laws will prevent their use. It's not a perfect deterrent, but it is a deterrent.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
LobowolfXXX
View Profile
Inner circle
La Famiglia
1168 Posts

Profile of LobowolfXXX
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
But JoeJoe, what will the drug companies do if people can help themselves with a plant they grow themselves?
And the for profit prison system? What will they do without a steady supply if merchandise?
The military industrial complex will take a hit too. No more drug lords to create, then vilify, then spend billions trying, but somehow never succeeding in stopping.

It's very un-American to suggest that those people should be stopped from killing people for the sale of money.

Shame on you.


Don't worry...people taking medically marijuana are still also taking Vicodin, Opana, and more.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
LobowolfXXX
View Profile
Inner circle
La Famiglia
1168 Posts

Profile of LobowolfXXX
What the drug companies would do, btw, is move into the medical marijuana space in a HUgE way.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
Dannydoyle
View Profile
Eternal Order
18969 Posts

Profile of Dannydoyle
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, acesover wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, JoeJoe wrote:
Anyone that has hung-out with both an alcoholic and a stoner does not need a study to know that marijuana reduces violence.

-JoeJoe


Also if you hang around people who are unconscious or sleeping you will find them non violent.

I have many scars from stoners who turned very violent. This is a wonderful joke, and a myth that is propagated.

I think that alcohol causes many many problems. But the argument that one should make another substance legal based on another being bad that is legal is sort of silly to me.

Why is there always such hypocrisy in people? Most should just say "I want to smoke pot and it not be illegal". But no you get convoluted stupid crap like this from people. I mean apply that logic to guns. Nobody does. They want to ban them ALL. Is consistency too much to ask? Never mind. And Joe Joe this is not at you. The only part that directly apples to you is my first sentence.

How about all the kids and women killed and exploited by the pot industry? Ever look into THAT aspect of it? Let me guess the cartel will just go away from a multi billion dollar business right? Trust me they are worse than any sweat shop making shoes in Singapore.

And I don't see any real success in the "war on drugs". I don't think it is the right spending of money. I think it is a social issue that can not be dealt with by simply incarceration of people. It has been a dismal failure. I think we have to find out why people turn to drugs (And for that matter this applies to guns.) and what is missing socially to fix this. Fix why they don't want reality (Or why they devalue their own lives so much that they want to take yours in the case of guns.) and then you will fix a HUGE part of the drug problem.



I *don't* want to smoke pot. And I want it to be legal.

The question isn't whether it's better than alcohol, or even whether it's good or bad. It's about the net effect of its being legal va. Illegal, and whether that net effect outweighs people's autonomy interest. To justify its illegality, in my view, the cost/benefit of prohibition would have to be markedly fraternal than the cost/benefit of legality. I don't think it is, by a loshot.


Oh the attempt to keto it criminal is ridiculously unbalanced. No question. That is sort of my point. I would like the money spent to figure out root causes, not make something criminal and send people away for it work no real benefit.

I mean in the end LOTS of things are flat out bad for us. You can't legislate intelligence.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus
<BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
LobowolfXXX
View Profile
Inner circle
La Famiglia
1168 Posts

Profile of LobowolfXXX
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, acesover wrote:
It seems to me that quite a few of the "Pro Pot Group" took a hit before posting. Just saying. Imagine trying to have a discussion with these people when they are stoned and at their supposed best.


It seems to me that most people on both sides have done so. But it's probably just the usual political nonsense whereby people either don't notice the valid points on the other side, or pretend they don't exist.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
NYCTwister
View Profile
Loyal user
267 Posts

Profile of NYCTwister
Danny, I would say that most people who partake do not want to escape reality, they simply like it.
Just as not everyone who drinks wants to get drunk.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
Dannydoyle
View Profile
Eternal Order
18969 Posts

Profile of Dannydoyle
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Danny, I would say that most people who partake do not want to escape reality, they simply like it.
Just as not everyone who drinks wants to get drunk.


I never suspected anything less. Life is lived in the middle not the extremes.

This does not change the fact that long term use affects the brain. It is a fact. No reason to make it criminal, but it is a fact. Long term booze does too.

Mouth and throat cancer are much higher. This is a fact. Not a reason for making it criminal, but facts.

But don't ever tell me people who have smoked pot are UNIVERSALLY non violent. You lose the argument immediately. That is a lie. Again no reason for making it criminal, just a stupid thing to say.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus
<BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
tommy
View Profile
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
15456 Posts

Profile of tommy
People who are stoned are like people on Prozac, except the latter is not as environmentally unfriendly as the smokers are. Also, the people on Prozac do not smell like dead tramps in school, which is more than can be said for the average pothead teacher. Therefore, then, we must change the attitudes and behaviour of the pot heads, on a global scale, if are to save the world.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
NYCTwister
View Profile
Loyal user
267 Posts

Profile of NYCTwister
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Danny, I would say that most people who partake do not want to escape reality, they simply like it.
Just as not everyone who drinks wants to get drunk.


I never suspected anything less. Life is lived in the middle not the extremes.

This does not change the fact that long term use affects the brain. It is a fact. No reason to make it criminal, but it is a fact. Long term booze does too.

Mouth and throat cancer are much higher. This is a fact. Not a reason for making it criminal, but facts.

But don't ever tell me people who have smoked pot are UNIVERSALLY non violent. You lose the argument immediately. That is a lie. Again no reason for making it criminal, just a stupid thing to say.


I'd never say that ALL pot users are non-violent, but it has been my experience that pot doesn't bring out the violent side of people. I remember one guy who was a load of laughs when he was high, but very dangerous when drunk.

But like many things it's illegality has nothing to do with how dangerous it is, or what the people want. The puppet masters pull the strings and the puppets dance.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
NYCTwister
View Profile
Loyal user
267 Posts

Profile of NYCTwister
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
But JoeJoe, what will the drug companies do if people can help themselves with a plant they grow themselves?
And the for profit prison system? What will they do without a steady supply if merchandise?
The military industrial complex will take a hit too. No more drug lords to create, then vilify, then spend billions trying, but somehow never succeeding in stopping.

It's very un-American to suggest that those people should be stopped from killing people for the sale of money.

Shame on you.


Don't worry...people taking medically marijuana are still also taking Vicodin, Opana, and more.


But less and less. How long do you think the drug companies are going to allow this? The Keebler Elf is already talking about cracking down and mandatory minimums.

How many people have become addicted and died needlessly, while old fools spew their nonsense, half baked moral platitudes - and pocket their checks.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
NYCTwister
View Profile
Loyal user
267 Posts

Profile of NYCTwister
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, acesover wrote:
It seems to me that quite a few of the "Pro Pot Group" took a hit before posting. Just saying. Imagine trying to have a discussion with these people when they are stoned and at their supposed best.


No matter how stoned they were it would be easier than talking to a Donny Tinahands sycophant. You'd have to keep pausing the conversation while they went to find out what they are allowed to think.

Just sayin'.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
tommy
View Profile
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
15456 Posts

Profile of tommy
Not enough, according to your 97% of old fools that spew their nonsense, half-baked moral platitudes - and pocket their checks, while telling us there are too many people using too much stuff.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
NYCTwister
View Profile
Loyal user
267 Posts

Profile of NYCTwister
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, tommy wrote:
Not enough, according to your 97% of old fools that spew their nonsense, half-baked moral platitudes - and pocket their checks, while telling us there are too many people using too much stuff.


Let's keep the thread as close to the topic as possible, shall we?
There are already two threads for you to bash the hysterics.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
NYCTwister
View Profile
Loyal user
267 Posts

Profile of NYCTwister
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote:
What the drug companies would do, btw, is move into the medical marijuana space in a HUgE way.


You mean like taking control of the plant itself?

http://420intel.com/articles/2017/06/27/......industry

If that happens this will probably be the issue when all sides spontaneously boycott these companies.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
tommy
View Profile
Eternal Order
Devil’s Island
15456 Posts

Profile of tommy
Uruguay will become the first nation in the world completely to legalize the sale and production of marijuana under state control, says the Voice of America, thereby going beyond other nations — and US states — that allow individuals to possess it.

Mujica's "experiment" is supported by American investor-philanthropist George Soros and his Open Society Foundation, as well as the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, according to The Washington Post. Mujica has met personally with both Soros and another US billionaire, David Rockefeller, to discuss the move.

The Rockefeller is decades in front you pot heads.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
acesover
View Profile
Special user
I believe I have
801 Posts

Profile of acesover
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, acesover wrote:
It seems to me that quite a few of the "Pro Pot Group" took a hit before posting. Just saying. Imagine trying to have a discussion with these people when they are stoned and at their supposed best.


No matter how stoned they were it would be easier than talking to a Donny Tinahands sycophant. You'd have to keep pausing the conversation while they went to find out what they are allowed to think.

Just sayin'.

Smile Smile Smile
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
landmark
View Profile
Inner circle
within a triangle
4562 Posts

Profile of landmark
Quote:
People who are stoned are like people on Prozac


Completely different. Marijuana is nothing like Prozac in chemistry or effect. If anything, they are opposites. There seems, however, to be a possibly interesting correlation between young teen-age school shooters and the use of Prozac, but I would put that in the realm of speculation at this point rather than fact.

I have heard, however, that the sale of alcohol in gambling establishments works to the advantage of the owner in two ways: the sales of the stuff and the decreased expertise at the card tables. Except, unfortunately, for those awkward times when they upend them.
"I use my five illusions to create the sense I'm useful to six."



You can read my daily blog at Musings, Memories, and Magic
NYCTwister
View Profile
Loyal user
267 Posts

Profile of NYCTwister
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, tommy wrote:
Uruguay will become the first nation in the world completely to legalize the sale and production of marijuana under state control, says the Voice of America, thereby going beyond other nations — and US states — that allow individuals to possess it.

Mujica's "experiment" is supported by American investor-philanthropist George Soros and his Open Society Foundation, as well as the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, according to The Washington Post. Mujica has met personally with both Soros and another US billionaire, David Rockefeller, to discuss the move.

The Rockefeller is decades in front you pot heads.


Undoubtedly it will be attempted here also. In fact it may be the issue that proves to be the last straw.

And, who here is a pothead?
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
Dannydoyle
View Profile
Eternal Order
18969 Posts

Profile of Dannydoyle
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Danny, I would say that most people who partake do not want to escape reality, they simply like it.
Just as not everyone who drinks wants to get drunk.


I never suspected anything less. Life is lived in the middle not the extremes.

This does not change the fact that long term use affects the brain. It is a fact. No reason to make it criminal, but it is a fact. Long term booze does too.

Mouth and throat cancer are much higher. This is a fact. Not a reason for making it criminal, but facts.

But don't ever tell me people who have smoked pot are UNIVERSALLY non violent. You lose the argument immediately. That is a lie. Again no reason for making it criminal, just a stupid thing to say.

But like many things it's illegality has nothing to do with how dangerous it is


This is a very sad truth.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus
<BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
NYCTwister
View Profile
Loyal user
267 Posts

Profile of NYCTwister
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, acesover wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 8, 2017, acesover wrote:
It seems to me that quite a few of the "Pro Pot Group" took a hit before posting. Just saying. Imagine trying to have a discussion with these people when they are stoned and at their supposed best.


No matter how stoned they were it would be easier than talking to a Donny Tinahands sycophant. You'd have to keep pausing the conversation while they went to find out what they are allowed to think.

Just sayin'.

Smile Smile Smile


Save the question marks Ace old bean. You know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Not very magical, still... » » Marijuana Decriminalization Leads to Violence...Reduction (7 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4~5~6~7~8 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2018 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.14 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL