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Speaking of violence, what happened to the chess games?



Oooops
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I look forward to the "Sam the Bellhop" federal prevention program.



I like Sam The Bellhop, but this was seriously Coke-Zero-Out-The-Nose funny. For me, it's Cards Across.


I don't really hate it, but it's my go-to humorous card magic scapegoat.
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If you have not already, then when are you are teachers going to start supplying marijuana to the children to reduce violence in the blackboard jungle?


Right after we give it to the self loathing, anal retentive, right wing thumpers, to reduce the general level of violence in the world in general


Give some to the left-wingers, too, to reduce the level of violence in the USA.


Sure, why not.
Let's give it to the people with seizure disorders, ptsd, chronic pain, anxiety et al.
The drug companies will just have to make a few billions less.
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Anyone that has hung-out with both an alcoholic and a stoner does not need a study to know that marijuana reduces violence.

-JoeJoe


Also if you hang around people who are unconscious or sleeping you will find them non violent.

I have many scars from stoners who turned very violent. This is a wonderful joke, and a myth that is propagated.

I think that alcohol causes many many problems. But the argument that one should make another substance legal based on another being bad that is legal is sort of silly to me.

Why is there always such hypocrisy in people? Most should just say "I want to smoke pot and it not be illegal". But no you get convoluted stupid crap like this from people. I mean apply that logic to guns. Nobody does. They want to ban them ALL. Is consistency too much to ask? Never mind. And Joe Joe this is not at you. The only part that directly apples to you is my first sentence.

How about all the kids and women killed and exploited by the pot industry? Ever look into THAT aspect of it? Let me guess the cartel will just go away from a multi billion dollar business right? Trust me they are worse than any sweat shop making shoes in Singapore.

And I don't see any real success in the "war on drugs". I don't think it is the right spending of money. I think it is a social issue that can not be dealt with by simply incarceration of people. It has been a dismal failure. I think we have to find out why people turn to drugs (And for that matter this applies to guns.) and what is missing socially to fix this. Fix why they don't want reality (Or why they devalue their own lives so much that they want to take yours in the case of guns.) and then you will fix a HUGE part of the drug problem.
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How about all the kids and women killed and exploited by the pot industry? Ever look into THAT aspect of it?


Nobody kills anyone so they can get stoned - the people that do the killing are the people that "sell" the drugs. People don't fight over drugs, they fight over the drug money. Al Capone didn't kill people so he could get drunk, he killed people so he could get rich - duh.

There is no "drug violence" ... there is "drug law violence" ... get rid of the laws, you get rid of the violence. This is just common sense that some people are just too stupid to grasp.

-JoeJoe
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But JoeJoe, what will the drug companies do if people can help themselves with a plant they grow themselves?
And the for profit prison system? What will they do without a steady supply if merchandise?
The military industrial complex will take a hit too. No more drug lords to create, then vilify, then spend billions trying, but somehow never succeeding in stopping.

It's very un-American to suggest that those people should be stopped from killing people for the sale of money.

Shame on you.
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If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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Where are the studies? Or will it stay lobbies as were cigarettes, eggs, milk, alcohol policies ...

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These drugs that affect your moral thinking and behaviour, lowers your aggression and bitterness against the environment may make you more agreeable but what about all your smoke?
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These drugs that affect your moral thinking and behaviour, lowers your aggression and bitterness against the environment may make you more agreeable but what about all your smoke?


Disregarding the nonsense about morality and behaviour, if you're not breathing it in then it should be none of your, or anybody else's, concern.
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How about all the kids and women killed and exploited by the pot industry? Ever look into THAT aspect of it?


Nobody kills anyone so they can get stoned - the people that do the killing are the people that "sell" the drugs. People don't fight over drugs, they fight over the drug money. Al Capone didn't kill people so he could get drunk, he killed people so he could get rich - duh.

There is no "drug violence" ... there is "drug law violence" ... get rid of the laws, you get rid of the violence. This is just common sense that some people are just too stupid to grasp.

-JoeJoe


Yea duh is right. People don't kill others to get high? Yes you are too stupid to grasp many things but keep trying. You may get it eventually.

So your position is pay for pot with oranges. Talking to you about anything is silly.

A stunning example of what pot can do for your life.
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But JoeJoe, what will the drug companies do if people can help themselves with a plant they grow themselves?
And the for profit prison system? What will they do without a steady supply if merchandise?
The military industrial complex will take a hit too. No more drug lords to create, then vilify, then spend billions trying, but somehow never succeeding in stopping.

It's very un-American to suggest that those people should be stopped from killing people for the sale of money.

Shame on you.


I like the way you pot smokers want to forget the cartel exists and think they will just go away.
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These drugs that affect your moral thinking and behaviour, lowers your aggression and bitterness against the environment may make you more agreeable but what about all your smoke?


Disregarding the nonsense about morality and behaviour, if you're not breathing it in then it should be none of your, or anybody else's, concern.


What about the precious environment? Why is pot smoke and crack smoke the only burning that does not hurt it?

And I agree about the morality aspect by the way.
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So, we make cigarettes illegal and pick up the difference.
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Do 97% of climate scientists agree with your assertion, that if we are not breathing your smoke in then it should be none of our, or anybody else's, concern?
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So, we make cigarettes illegal and pick up the difference.


What about the burning? Doesn't it affect the environment? Consistency is all I want. Is that too much to ask?

Of course it is.

And if pot is nobodies concern neither should guns be, and so on.
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How about all the kids and women killed and exploited by the pot industry? Ever look into THAT aspect of it?


Nobody kills anyone so they can get stoned - the people that do the killing are the people that "sell" the drugs. People don't fight over drugs, they fight over the drug money. Al Capone didn't kill people so he could get drunk, he killed people so he could get rich - duh.

There is no "drug violence" ... there is "drug law violence" ... get rid of the laws, you get rid of the violence. This is just common sense that some people are just too stupid to grasp.

-JoeJoe

Incorrect. Many people kill people to get stoned. Probably daily.
Yes. There most certainly is Drug Violence. It isn't common sense and Im not stupid. Thanks.
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It seems to me that quite a few of the "Pro Pot Group" took a hit before posting. Just saying. Imagine trying to have a discussion with these people when they are stoned and at their supposed best.
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Let's defined "stoned" shall we? If stoned means getting high on marijuana, then "Many people kill people to get stoned. Probably daily," is a wild overstatement.
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On Jul 8, 2017, JoeJoe wrote:
Anyone that has hung-out with both an alcoholic and a stoner does not need a study to know that marijuana reduces violence.

-JoeJoe


Also if you hang around people who are unconscious or sleeping you will find them non violent.

I have many scars from stoners who turned very violent. This is a wonderful joke, and a myth that is propagated.

I think that alcohol causes many many problems. But the argument that one should make another substance legal based on another being bad that is legal is sort of silly to me.

Why is there always such hypocrisy in people? Most should just say "I want to smoke pot and it not be illegal". But no you get convoluted stupid crap like this from people. I mean apply that logic to guns. Nobody does. They want to ban them ALL. Is consistency too much to ask? Never mind. And Joe Joe this is not at you. The only part that directly apples to you is my first sentence.

How about all the kids and women killed and exploited by the pot industry? Ever look into THAT aspect of it? Let me guess the cartel will just go away from a multi billion dollar business right? Trust me they are worse than any sweat shop making shoes in Singapore.

And I don't see any real success in the "war on drugs". I don't think it is the right spending of money. I think it is a social issue that can not be dealt with by simply incarceration of people. It has been a dismal failure. I think we have to find out why people turn to drugs (And for that matter this applies to guns.) and what is missing socially to fix this. Fix why they don't want reality (Or why they devalue their own lives so much that they want to take yours in the case of guns.) and then you will fix a HUGE part of the drug problem.



I *don't* want to smoke pot. And I want it to be legal.

The question isn't whether it's better than alcohol, or even whether it's good or bad. It's about the net effect of its being legal va. Illegal, and whether that net effect outweighs people's autonomy interest. To justify its illegality, in my view, the cost/benefit of prohibition would have to be markedly fraternal than the cost/benefit of legality. I don't think it is, by a loshot.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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