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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
So this is an effect Ive been working on for years. I never spend more than 15 minutes on it every few months. So basically I have never truly worked on it consistently. I decided I want to make this my next big project now that I memorized Mnemonica. I can do the injogging with my pinky pretty well. I can even do the ambitious riser move ok. What I cant seem to ever get a handle on, however, is how to push the card in with my index finger, shake the deck, and do the riser move all at the same time. As soon as I start trying to move my hand and do the riser move, it just falls apart. Does anyone perform this? Should I perform the riser move and then push the card in or does it happen at the same time? Basically what I am trying to do is shake the hand forward and do the riser move together, and then push the card in on the shake back. But ******* it it's hard. I thought the hard part was supposed to be the riser move but that is proving to be the easy part.
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
I don't do this move it's very hard. I always feel like its applications are very limited to acr and maybe a color change?
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Mike Powers Inner circle Midwest 2986 Posts |
Ray Kosby tutored me in this move long ago. Still can't do it. Ray does it perfectly and I have seen a few others do it. So it's possible - but it ain't easy!
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
I saw one guy kinda do it at a convention 10 years ago and I've seen Xavior Spade do it on his channel. That's it though. I feel like I'm really close. The moves are no longer hard, it's just doing the moves together with the hand motion that's tricky at this point. I'm sure it's just a matter of practise but maybe someone will have some tips.
Also getting the top card injog is difficult because you don't have the weight of the deck. I can usually get it just slightly above half of the deck but any further up and I have a hard time getting the card to swivel out and injogged. |
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Simon: kosby has a few routines using it. I perform Paul Harris' think a card routine from AOA and I'm working on using the ambitious riser as kosby teaches it on impossible card magic. So it definitely has some other uses but they are all hard lol.
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FalseDeal New user 76 Posts |
Xavior Spade gives tips on how to do it on his At the Table Live Lecture and he also gave some tips on it, and performed it, on his YouTube channel.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
I havent seen any tips on it on his youtube channel. I have seen him perform it though. Also, where do you watch all these at the table lecture notes?
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
I found it. The lecture looks pretty good but I already do the cascade control and he teaches that twisting the aces on his channel. FalseDeal: can you give me some info on how much he goes into raise rise? I like spade a lot and think hes an excellent card handler, but I would mainly be getting this for tips on Raise Rise. I know its only $8, but Im a broke student haha.
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
I watched spades lecture. He mainly talks about the pushout technique and a trick using it. He didn't tackle the specific problem you have. However he uses a different injog technique which I think is superior to kosby's but he didn't go to details of it either.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Simoncard: thanks for the info. Well I've seen spade perform it and he uses very little up and down motion. I was actually wondering how he is able to push the card out so fast. Using the orginal riser technique its hard to make the card come out straught and fast like he does. Its more like an angle against the thumb and slide off of it kinda thing. I also find the injog method of the original a pain in the ***. I think I'm gonna pick this up and watch it. Even if he doesn't go into detail, I'm familiar enough with the original that maybe I can work it out.
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
You should pick it up. He did share some tips on how to get the card out straight.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Thanks, man. Ill pick it up tomorrow!
Part of me wonders why Im putting all this effort into injogging the cards with my pinky when I could just put the selection on the table, do an overhand shuffle easily getting my injogs, and then just do a top change. It just feels like cheating. |
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FalseDeal New user 76 Posts |
The two main points he has on it are:
> Your thumb and middle finger should not line up (middle finger should be at the top of the right side of the deck, thumb should be further down, closer to the top half of the angel) > You should pull down with the pinky to jog the cards, not push up. Drill > Hold the deck in the grip > Reach up to the top card with the pinky, side jog it by pulling down on it, square it so now it's injogged, then rise it and leave it outjogged > Reach up the second card with the pinky, side jog, square, rise > Keep going right through the deck > Repeat for 10 years |
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Lmao! Thanks falsedeal. I never thought to pull down on the bottom card. I'll give that drill a try and I'll get the lecture tomorrow.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
So moving the thumb down certainly helps the card come out faster. Sometimes, doing it the original way with the thumb at the top left corner, the card kinds gets stuck and bends on the thumb. So I like moving the thumb down (although it makes my hand cramp). But I do not like pulling down to injog the card. That seems way harder to me. The top half of the deck is all over the place when I do that.
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Tom G Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I think it was Chris Mayhew has a simpler version called Lazy Rise that might be worth looking into.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Hey Tom, I am familiar with Lazy Rise. Ill be honest, the reason I want to learn Raise Rise is simply because it's hard. It's not really the effect. But thank you very much for that tip.
Thanks to everyone who commented. I stayed up late last night working on the thumb positioning and pulling down on the card instead of up. I woke up this morning and my Raise Rise has improved SO much. Easily 3x as good as it was yesterday afternoon. I honestly think this might be good to go in a couple of weeks. Hopefully Ill make a thread with a video but we'll see. |
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KLG Veteran user Hong Kong 348 Posts |
Kelvin Chow does the move extremely well, and has tons of ideas utilizing it.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
I just watched the demo for his video on the ambitious riser. Looks great. I had never heard of that before, thank you for the tip. I'll be picking that up ASAP.
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