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furmanmatt Loyal user New York 217 Posts 
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Hi Bob, you need to practice and perfect a usable DL. If you commit to a technique practice it regularly, every day, you will master it. There is no substitute for that wonderful move.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts
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Actually, all those decades ago, I wanted to use my Scoop Change, Evolution of a Sleight and my Ultra Move wherever I could in place of a double turnover - basically what I had in mind was to fool magicians, since I always got a kick out of that! And I did fool magicians!!
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts
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So I guess those mentioned can be considered a "substitute." On the other hand, I did publish a few different "handling" for a double lift/turnover.
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Bob G Inner circle 2832 Posts
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Harry, thanks for your suggestions. I actually own a copy of your book on your Ultra Move. After buying it I realized it was way beyond my level. (Drawback of buying on the internet.) Who knows, though, someday perhaps I'll be advanced enough to learn it...
In the meantime, I'll look again at your DL's in The Magic Book, which, as I mentioned in another thread, is a book that I love. Best Regards, Bob |
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Ado Inner circle New York City 1033 Posts
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I'd argue that what Dana said is also a good way to learn to do it improperly. I'd start by doing 1000 normal lifts (of all sorts), filming them, and only then working on the DL so that it matches the single lift.
Another obvious thing to do, it to learn magic that does not require a DL. There is a lot out there. You can make a living with cards and not DL. P! |
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Bob G Inner circle 2832 Posts
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Ado, I agree about the danger of ingraining incorrect technique. That's one reason why I'm so glad that Steven offered to Skype with me.
As for your second paragraph... Do you have any favorite effects (for beginners or so) that don't use the DL? I guess that's a different topic. Maybe I should start a thread, "Favorite tricks that DON'T use the DL." Lots to think about here. Bob |
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1947 Posts
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The Wesley James & Tom Ellis Loading Move is actually an excellent substitute and is easy. I can't see what is difficult in its execution and is certainly much easier to pull off convincingly than a DL.
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts
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On Jul 11, 2017, Ado wrote: Wouldn't it be more efficient to go the Vernon route and match his singles to whichever double he decides on? |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts
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On Jul 12, 2017, Claudio wrote: It's a decent move, but that's a pretty narrow range of contexts in which it can be used. EDIT; I should add that, at least from a choreography standpoint, the Kardyro/Christ spread switch is a more viable option than the Smith/Ellis/James moves. |
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Bob G Inner circle 2832 Posts
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Claudio and Rupert,
Thanks for posting. This is definitely of interest to me as it addresses my original question. |
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Alan Munro.jpg "View Profile") Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts
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I actually find a top change much easier than most DLs. It's a contextual thing and I use misdirection that causes the spectator to completely lower their guard.
When I do a DL, I use the Houdin get ready. At least, I think that's what it's called. You have to spread the cards and cut them, making it another contextual move. |
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Ado Inner circle New York City 1033 Posts
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On Jul 12, 2017, Rupert Pupkin wrote: Yes and no. There are many ugly doubles out there. That's why I wrote "of all sorts": to figure out what's a good single lift for him first, something he wouldn't find suspicious himself. P! |
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Bob G Inner circle 2832 Posts
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Hi Alan,
I'm curious what kind of misdiredtion you use for the top change (a move I haven't learned but would be interested in learning if it's easier than I suspected)? I realize it may depend on the trick in which you're using it... Also, would you mind describing the DL get-ready you mentioned in more detail, in a PM or whatever's appropriate? I've seen the Houdin get ready described (I think by Giobbi) as follows: remove the top card and show it, holding it in front of the deck so as to mask the deck while you get a break under the new top card. Then find a reason to put the original top card back on the deck, and you now have a break under the original top two cards. (Hope I have that right.) So I'm thinking that what you do is different, and I'm interested in knowing what it is. Oh! maybe I just figured it out. Spread the cards, get a break under top two cards, and "unspread"?? If I'm right, do you give your audience a reason for why you're spreading the deck? Thanks, Bob |
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FalseDeal New user 76 Posts
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Look into Lee Ashers Diving Board Double, it's one of the more natural and easier DLs.
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1947 Posts
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Another very easy DL, already mentioned by Simoncard as "Thumb Count", is The "E.V." Invisible Double Lift, first described in Edward Victor's The Magic of the Hands.
It's easy and deceptive. In all versions of that DL that I have read, the thumb count is used as a secret maneuver. Except one, where the left thumb openly releases the top card and when the right hand is about to lift the single, the thumb releases a second card. However I can't remember where I read the latter; if anyone knows, please post its source. Thanks. |
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Bob G Inner circle 2832 Posts
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I looked at some youtubes of Asher's DL, and it's *beautiful*. For people who haven't seen it, the magician launches the top card vertically upward from the deck; it goes about two feet up, and then comes down to rest on the deck again, face up -- and it's spinning around its long axis the whole time. This "lift" certainly convinced *me* of the card's singularity!
On the other hand, I can't imagine that the move is anything but hard to learn. I assume that I was viewing the "Acrobatic" version of Asher's move. There's also a simpler, nonacrobatic version, apparently. (Asher sells a 55-page e-book on his website that teaches both moves -- $20.) So here's my question for you, FalseDeal. I assume you were referring to the easier version? Can you give me an idea of what it looks like and what makes it easy? I've learned from experience not to spend $20 for a single move unless I have good reason to believe I can really learn it. Anyway, I was very happy to become aware of the move and watch it. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts
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Claudio: I taught that double (thumb releasing top card openly, etc) in my Ambitious Card Routine in C-UCM back in 1962.
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FalseDeal New user 76 Posts
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On Jul 13, 2017, Bob G wrote: I was trolling. Just learn the Snap DL man. You can find a tutorial on the 52Kards site or Daryls Ambitious Card video. It's easy and reliable. |
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1947 Posts
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On Jul 13, 2017, Harry Lorayne wrote: Thanks Harry. I checked in my copy of C-UCM, and indeed it's where I learned that handling 35 years or so ago. You wrote: "This is a beautiful DL." I could not agree with you more. Furthermore, it's really easy and deceptive. |
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Bob G Inner circle 2832 Posts
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Harry and Claudio,
I guess that's Close-Up Card Magic? If so, this is really good news. I already own the book! Bob |
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