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On Jul 18, 2017, SimonCard wrote:
I'm not sure what kind of 3 card poker you are talking about. but in China, there is this 3 card poker which is probably the most popular in private games. I think it's translated as "golden flower" in English.


In simplest terms, 3 Card Poker is dealt on a standard casino Blackjack table having a 3 card poker layout. Each player plays his hand against the dealer's hand.

Before the cards are dealt, each player makes an "anti-bet," then each player and the dealer get 3 cards.

If the player believes his 3 card poker hand will beat the dealer's 3 card poker hand, he will raise an amount equal to his original anti-bet. If not, he tosses his hand in and loses his anti-bet.

The dealer turns his hand face up and must have a Queen or higher hand to qualify. The dealer then turns each remaining player's hand face up in order. Each player's 3 card poker hand is compared to the dealer's 3 card poker hand in turn to determine whether the player beats, ties or loses to the dealer's hand. The player wins or loses even money for his anti-bet and raise bet if the dealer's hand qualifies. If the dealer's hand does not qualify, then the player wins or loses his anti-bet only. Ties bets do not win or lose and there are also additional proposition bets available.
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"The dealer turns his hand face up and must have a Queen or higher hand to qualify."

Wait, what? If the dealer has no Queens, Kings or Aces from his three cards then every one just wins their initial bet?
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“Three Card Poker” was invented in England in the mid 1990's by Derek Webb. It was initially called Casino Brag, since it was inspired by Three Card Brag. Now Three Card Brag is a game played in private and normally by the working class in pups, clubs, etcetera and is the sort of game where strippers would fit the bill. Mind you it is not seen much these days.

PS There is a bit here on brag:

http://www.pokerjokers.com/threecardbrag.htm
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On Jul 18, 2017, Peterson wrote:

"The dealer turns his hand face up and must have a Queen or higher hand to qualify."

Wait, what? If the dealer has no Queens, Kings or Aces from his three cards then everyone just wins their initial bet?


Yes. If the dealer does not qualify then he pays off all the remaining ante bets and pushes the play (or raise) bets. (I had a slight typo in my original post.)

Here are exact the rules.

Three Card Poker Rules

1. Player makes an Ante and/or Pairplus bet
2. The dealer gives each player three cards and himself three cards. The player may examine his own cards. The dealer's cards are dealt face down.
3. If the player made the Ante bet, then he has must either fold or raise.
4. If the player folds, then he forfeits his Ante wager.
5. If the player raises, then he must make an additional Play bet, equal exactly to his Ante bet.
6. The dealer will turn over his cards.
7. The dealer needs a queen high or better to qualify.
8. If the dealer does not qualify then the player will win even money on the Ante bet and the Play bet will push.
9. If the dealer qualifies, then the player's hand will be compared to the dealer's hand, the higher hand wins. The order of poker hands is indicated below.
10. If the player has the higher poker hand then the Ante and Play will both pay even money.
11. If the dealer has the higher poker hand then the Ante and Play will both lose.
12. If the player and dealer tie then the Ante and Play bets will push.
13. If the player made the Ante bet and has a straight or higher then the player will receive an Ante Bonus, regardless of the value of the dealer's hand.

Aside from very small casinos that only offer a few games, 3 Card Poker is played in Nevada casinos and I assume in many out of state casinos also. It is much simpler to learn and to play than most other casino games.
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If one ran a private three card poker game there would really be no need to manipulate because one would have the best of it anyhow.
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On Jul 18, 2017, tommy wrote:
If one ran a private three card poker game there would really be no need to manipulate because one would have the best of it anyhow.


I think that would apply to dealing any casino game privately. The only caveat is one has to have sufficient bankroll to book the occasional bad losing streaks. Cheating helps to mitigate these bad runs and earns more money than the house PC would.
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The gambling commission here tend to ignore poker games because it is hard to prove the game is commercial. If they get wind that somebody is running a banker’s game, however, they tend raid hoping to find the commercial gaming equipment, which is hard to deny. Private gaming houses here anyhow have very rarely run banker’s games.
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On Jul 18, 2017, Cagliostro wrote:
I may have mentioned this before but "killing cards" is called "location play" or simply "location" by hustlers and some gamblers. The terminology "Killing Cards" is a magician or hobbyist term.


I don't think that term comes from magicians, (I first came across it in a non-magic book on cheating) but I'll admit that the common use of that term here on this board might be my fault. Although I didn't coin the phrase, I've always liked it and use it whenever the location play in use is trying to prevent certain cards from showing up.

You're absolutely correct that the majority of the old (and new) books just refer to this concept as "location work" or some variant thereof. But...most of the location play stuff you find in the literature (even going back over 100 years) only focuses on getting a small memorized slug (or previous hand) in a position where it will be cut close to the top and then dealt off. Usually half going to your opponent and half going to you. You play with this knowledge and the opponent doesn't, hence your edge. I always liked the distinction of "killing" a previous hand so that it doesn't appear on the deal. Only very rarely does an author mention the possibility of having the previous hand not show up at all.

Jason

PS: There is a very old reference to "killing a hand" in another context in print in a non-magic book on cheating from the early 20th century. That term isn't new by any means, even if the meaning behind it has shifted a bit.
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@Jason: As more of a historian than I am or have ever been, I have no doubt you are accurate about the specific term "killing cards" showing up in old books or literature going back in time. It is a logical thing to say, such as "killing some cards" or "killing a card" as a description of an action as opposed to a concept.

My experience with some of the older books was mostly confined to my teen age years as back at that time the only literature came from a few old books by Devol, Quinn, Erdnase and couple of others that I don't recall offhand.) When I got old enough to become acquainted with people who were actually doing these things, most of my old book knowledge was pretty much cataloged as interesting but no longer relevant for the most part on a practical basis.

However, I have never heard the specific term "killing cards" in common used by hustlers, only the term "location" or some derivation thereof, or slug or slug control, but the specific "killing cards" term in my experience has only been on this BB among the magician/hobbyist set. However once again, a hustler may say he "killed some cards" in one context or another as part of his use of the English language. Of course, that would not mean that some hustler or hustlers, somewhere at some time did not use that specific term as a concept, it would be silly to maintain otherwise. I can only go from my everyday experience, both past and current.

"Killing a hand" is also somewhat different in my experience. For example, in present day poker games if a hand has to be exposed by the dealer but is no longer in action, it refers to him or her taking a player's hand and hitting the "muck" with it (thereby killing it), so it can be exposed face up since as it is now "dead" and cannot affect the "action" or any decision.

History is interesting and I always enjoy your going back in time and putting things in historical context as it seems "there is nothing new under the sun." However, on a practical level I usually relate to my actual experience and what I see as current terminology and practice, how it is used and by whom. Smile
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