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DaveGripenwaldt
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Does a magnetic version need a bang ring? If so, what is the advantage?

Never played the a magnetic one and was just wondering what that approach to the gaff brings to the table.

Thanks.
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I have two Roy Kuepper's S&S magnetics and neither requires a ring but I have found the elements easier to separate with the aid of small neodymium magnets from the craft store. A firm rap will generally separate the components and that is what I did originally but it is much easier now to use the small neo as a handle to separate the parts. Inthis way I am less concerned about damaging any edges of either part. Give it a try and I think you will grow to like it.

Just keep the assembly away from magnetically encoded cards.

And, yes I still have ring--required coin sets as well, but I think those work better for larger diameter and thicker coins.

Hope this reply is what you were looking for.

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The difference is that instead of using very tight tolerances to keep the parts together (thus requiring the sudden sideways "bang" to separate) it uses a magnet to keep things together.

That means that you can separate them with a firm shake or a second magnet, though a bang ring could do the job, too.

Some people love that, as the reset is shorter, and you don't have to go do something elsewhere (or visible). The down side is that there's a little more play, and the inner piece can turn. If a spectator were to handle the gimmick, they might notice more easily than on the non-magnetic one.

Which you like better is a matter of personal preference.
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Dave, I can separate mine (actually my two different magnetic S&S gimmicks) using any ferromagnetic metal - i.e., anything made of steel. E.g., clip on a pocket knife, some belt buckles, suspender clips, etc. And of course a PK-type ring or even a magnetic pocket holdout.

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How do they hold up for a spec's inspection? I don't hand out coins often, in fact rarely, but I used to hand out my Johnson set (non magnetic) with ZERO worries.
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The ones that I have had, I would not hand out. The tolerances are not as tight, thus allowing the insert to have a little play. If you brush your thumb over it, it will move slightly and it a dead give away.
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On Jul 18, 2017, rowdymagi5 wrote:
The ones that I have had, I would not hand out. The tolerances are not as tight, thus allowing the insert to have a little play. If you brush your thumb over it, it will move slightly and it a dead give away.


THIS is the exact reason Lassen referred to on his blog.. for not wanting to use the magnetic approach to making S&S. Even if the tolerances are perfect, the insert will still always rotate in the shell of a magnet employed gaff. It has to, it is the nature of this beast. With no interface the gaffus will never become "one" as with the standard press fit gaffus, it will instead remain two separate, moveable pieces. Thus not allowing for close examination by spec.

The trade off is the reset. If not for that, no one would go near this. And seems the only magician concerned with that would be the guy that goes from table.. to the very next table, repeating the Scotch and Soda effect at every table. And sorry, at that point I have to say.. hey, mix it up a little buddy, get a magician life, learn a couple more so you reset at your leisure and everyone in the room doesn't see you repeating the same tricks over and over. Or shoot for every 2nd or 3rd beer pee break and reset in the head, now you got a little buzz going.. you can be more smooth and social. I digress...
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Thanks all!

And I appreciated the answers to the question that had occurred to me but not mentioned...that of whether the insert of the magnetic gaff rotated as it seemed it would have to.

I got an inexpensive Vodka and Orange juice set...which was terribly machined...and that's what got me thinking about the alternative.

Gotta love the knowledge base of the MC...
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The magnetic ones I have also rotate. However, I have never had a Layperson try to "rotate" a coin. I could be wrong, but I believe that only a magician would rotate a coin.

Here is another perspective: when I perform with non-gaffed coins and place one or 2 in a participant's hand as part of the routine, I have never had a layperson try to "rotate" the coin(s) either.

Reset? Magnetic coins do not need a bang ring. you can remove the insert by holding the shell by the edges and applying force downwards towards your other hand. Striking the other hand but not allowing the Scotch and Soda to make contact with the other hand. this will release the insert from the coin without a bang ring.



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DaveGripenwaldt
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Appreciate the real world perspective, Calvin.

Any recommendation from the fans of the magnetic versions as to who makes a decent one?
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On Jul 17, 2017, Poof-Daddy wrote:
How do they hold up for a spec's inspection? I don't hand out coins often, in fact rarely, but I used to hand out my Johnson set (non magnetic) with ZERO worries.



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