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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3910 Posts |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Wait a minute...What ever happened to Giuseppe Balsamo? Isn't he the only one officially authorized to post AMcD material in absentia?
I know you are not Giuseppe Balsamo...Giuseppe always wears his chef hat in public and is a key figure in the Balsamic Vinegar Empire of Italy. That aside, I like the idea of using a timer when one demos a card table move or perhaps makes a salad or soup du jour. I am surprised that Steve Forte, Darwin Ortiz and the elite of card table esoterica haven't utilized this procedure when doing their demos since speed is the true criteria of manipulative accomplishment. I have a feeling that card table timers are going to be the new "in" thing for demonstrators. In fact, I can foresee James Riser, Eoin O'Hare, Todd Lassen and others of the card table gimmick ilk coming up with their own versions of a card table timer and selling them at impressive prices. In fact, now that this concept has been exposed Dan Madison is evidently going to sell his timer, which not only is the best of the best but even better than that, and is arranging a contest for card table speed on the Penn and Teller show where all the world famous card table "demologists" will gravitate and compete. No card table man should be without a timer and you heard about it first on The Gambling Spot. Those who are among the first to acquire a card table timer automatically get boasting rights that they have the newest and latest esotic card table gimmickry and are among the avant garde of card table aficionados. While I have not seen a timer being used under fire...yet... who knows? Anything is possible and hope springs eternal... Don't you just love the Gambling Spot? Sigh!!!!!. |
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3910 Posts |
And Arnold doesn't need a close-up mat.
I've seen very few gamblers with close-up mats, in fact... |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Maybe Arnold's calling card should read, "Have timer...no mat...will travel."
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3910 Posts |
Yes.
Fifi'surname is due to the fact that he believes that thumbtacks are shiners. And a can of wax is a dice box. He probably never saw a poker chips in his life and still believe that Madison is the new Erdnase. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Does anyone who has or uses a timer on this BB know how long it would take to stack trips for a nine or ten handed poker game (as this is the standard sized game most encountered in casino and professional card room settings) with the third card coming on fifth street, not on the flop?
Can anyone on this BB, either active or inactive, do this stack as just stated with RRSR followed by a final cut, after releasing the deck prior to the final cut, and do so deceptively? Hmmm...Now that would be an interesting demo of skill and ability in my opinion and take it out of the realm of the make-believe, assuming such mastery is possible as noted herein. Just a thought. |
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3910 Posts |
I repost the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggd7PXYUMFs To answer your question: first, I'm NOT interested by being a REAL cheater. I don't really care about who was Erdnase and the classical discussions. I'm mostly a backgammon player, not a champion but quite a good one. On the other side, as a MAGICIAN, I'm grantly interested by spectacular gambling stuff, on the theme of poker, craps, backgammon, and so on. So, I ain't personally obsessed by the real stuff (electronics and team working) nor by the speed of moves, but what is needed to do a show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ph4gT2sxFM |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
@The Curator: My post asking if anyone can do RRSRC for 9-10 handed as stated above was not directed to you but to the entire membership, both active and inactive, since the main intent of this BB is to focus and demonstrate real hustling and cheating techniques as opposed to magician demos of such.
I know you are a magician and not a card cheater. I personally enjoyed your magic pseudo gambling demo as presented although I am sure there are some purists on this BB that might not concur with me on this. Some consider such demos out of place on this BB and I have no problem with that opinion either way. However, my original question above to the membership still stands. While AMcD is a skillful fellow and performed a nice riffle stack demo, it does not satisfy the criteria I laid out for a 9-10 handed game with the third card for the set coming on fifth street. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
I should add to my above posted requirement that there is a big difference between a 5-handed and a 9-10 handed game, more so when using the RRSRC procedure and having the set card fall on fifth street. There is even a greater challenge when using plastic white bordered bridge sized cards as are pretty much standard in US card rooms.
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3910 Posts |
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On Aug 26, 2017, Cagliostro wrote: I may try for the fun... But with classic cards, there's no American poker room in Belgium. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Aug 26, 2017, The Curator wrote: Are there any poker rooms in Belgium, licensed or underground? If not, maybe you should start one, that is if you don't mind doing some jail time for an illegal game? Maybe something for a budding entrepreneur in Belgium to think about. |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
Though speed doesn't mean deceptiveness. I think Arnold is shuffling at a unsuspicous speed. The guy on the right looks more like doing a stacking demo.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
The guy on the right doesn't have a clue as to what constitutes a deceptive riffle stack. Lifting the cards up and down with the thumbs and hesitating while obviously putting the cards into place is ridiculous but with the advent of wide spread exposure to these techniques in the magician and hobbyist community, many rank amateurs and incompetents demo on YouTube and pretty much amuse or fool themselves in the process.
AMcD performs a nice demo under the 5-handed circumstances given and at a good speed. A little slower might be more realistic, but in either case it would still look good. However I think his intent was to do the stack as quickly as possible with a timer, which is probably why strict poker room procedure was not followed. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
In the amateur game, strict poker room procedure does not really apply. I mean, many amateurs, new players to the professional games, in the lower stakes casino games, do not even know the rules of betting; they are always under raising and so on.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
I can imagine it was someone claimed to be a stacking expert and Arnold challenged him for a Skype battle somehow. Just my imagination.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Aug 26, 2017, tommy wrote: Of course not. In amateur games, depending on the stakes and the experience of the players, many shuffling and cutting variations can occur. However, I would suggest that for a realistic demo of a hold'em poker deal, the closer to correct procedure the more realistic the demo would seem to be, especially if the demonstrator stresses adherence to a close approximation of accepted procedure. But then again, all demos are just that...demos...largely BS and usually have little relationship as to the practicality of the procedure under real world conditions and the practitioners ability to successfully utilize such methods under fire in serious games without nervously fumbling or wetting one's pants in fear. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
People who have done nothing but work in a casino and who have never had the balls to commit a crime in their life shouldn’t throw stones.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Aug 27, 2017, tommy wrote: It is my understanding that small time punks and low lives who deal very low limit poker games for twelve to fifteen hours per day, in filthy smoke filled rooms in the slum section of town, like to pretend they are gamblers and tough guy mobsters and throw stones at others. However, these slum games are not really "casinos" and the clowns that deal these slip-shod games are not really professional dealers. Because these low life punks hang around the bums and the dregs of humanity on a daily basis, these cowards like to hide behind an internet identity and make loud pretentious statements in line with their extremely limited intellect but would run for the hills on a face to face encounter against anyone half their size. There only real experience in gambling a low life punk like this would have is in dealing to other low lives, carrying a filthy, grease stained copy of Erdnase in his back pocket, and frequently spending jail time in an overnight drunk tank with other bums. Yes, these cowardly scum-sucking punks like to pretend they are tough guy gamblers and throw stones. |
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3910 Posts |
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On Aug 26, 2017, Cagliostro wrote: It's at least a funny exercise. I'll make a video tomorrow, post it for the fun. Then I will delay it, once you've looked at. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
That may well be true in your neck of the woods Cag.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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