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Ferry H.P. New user Belgium 95 Posts |
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, I couldn't find it.
I've got a question about the Copper/Silver/Brass Trasposition. I've heard and seen so many great things about this coin trick, I'm probably going to buy myself a set. In a few weeks, I hope I have Doc Eason's Bar Magic volume 3, to look at his routine. I still have a few questions:
Can someone fill me in on the details regarding the C/S/B Transposition set? Thank you.
Ferry H.P.
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James Harrison Special user Ontario, Canada 762 Posts |
I would think that there should be some kind of C/S/B set that is in Euro coins. (Sorry, I would be more specific, but I don't know what part of Europe you are in.)
Todd Lassen might be your best bet for not only quality, but also the chance that you can get a C/S/B set with almost any coins you want to use. Failing that, I would just put a half dollar on the order sheet when you get the set from Johnson (Johnson is a great set, but some people like to be able to do the routine with different coins that what Johnson provides, hence going to Lassen). |
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Ferry H.P. New user Belgium 95 Posts |
Thanks. I'm from Belgium and it would be great to have a set with euro coins.
Ferry H.P.
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Justin Craddock Regular user buffalo,ny 127 Posts |
Johnson is the best set. After seeing his routine you are definitely going to want it so buy it now. I use Eason's routine and it is great. I think it is the best.
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Ferry H.P. New user Belgium 95 Posts |
Todd Lassen is too expensive for my tiny budget. Johnson's set and others are priced around $50. Maybe I can ask to include an extra genuine half dollar?
Ferry H.P.
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CardMaker Inner circle Ludwigsburg/GERMANY 1063 Posts |
Go for the Johnson one but consider to go with the REAL SILVER version. Extra halves can be bought easily e.g. Ebay or your local coin shop.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
I would get the Johnson "SILVER" set. Your choice of a '64 kennedy or a Walking Liberty. The look so much better than the standard set.
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the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Bob Johnston Inner circle Philadelphia, PA 1251 Posts |
Ferry H.P.:
Real silver (Walking or Kennedy) are about $80.00 from Johnson vs $50.00 also from Johnson. In both cases they come with an un-gimmicked half. Do you need an extra un-gimmicked half, and why? Johnson sells extra un-gimmicked coins for their set and calls them “prop coins.” Todd Lassen makes the set in any coin you like, including coins you cab provide. I just purchased in copper, silver, brass in the silver dollar size and love it. You should at least look at his site to see what they look like. Bob |
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Ferry H.P. New user Belgium 95 Posts |
Johnson's C/S/B comes with everything you need? That would be great, I read in a review that you have to provide a half dollar yourself to perform this trick.
Ferry H.P.
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
That is correct. The set comes with an ungaffed 20 Centavo, an ungaffed Chinese coin, and the gaff. You must supply your own 1/2 dollar. If you get the non-silver version, you will want to find a 2000 half in BU condition. It will exactly match the gaff. If you get the silver version, wait until it arrives, and bring the gaff with you to the coin store to match.
BTW, I use the regular old non-silver version. It's a staple prop for me, that works very well, and it looks very nice. It's the Centavo and Chinese coin that draw the attention in that set, not the half dollar, so, IMHO, save the money and buy the regular set. -Mike |
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Ferry H.P. New user Belgium 95 Posts |
Quote: I'm so happy you're making this very clear to me. On 2004-04-12 15:03, Wellington wrote:In both cases they come with an un-gimmicked half.***On 2004-04-12 15:24, WildStone wrote:You must supply your own 1/2 dollar.
Ferry H.P.
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
Consider doing the effect without the gaff. That's right—without the gaff. For more on this, research work by Scotty York, and prepare to be surprised!
Best, PSC
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
Non-silver version—no ungaffed half dollar, none, nada, zero, zip, zilch.
Silver versions (Kennedy/Walking Lib)—I don't know... maybe. I own two non-silver sets, having just bought the replacement for my old worn out set within the last six months... No silver dollar, trust me on that mi amigo. Best, Mike |
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Ferry H.P. New user Belgium 95 Posts |
Thanks Mike.
I will watch Doc's DVD first and if I'll buy a set, it will probably be a regular Johnson set. My magic shop had a new load of Euro gaffs last time, maybe there is something I like.
Ferry H.P.
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joeybaron Regular user dallas,texas 101 Posts |
Hello ferry, you might get a kick out of a routine by James Lewis called foreign exchange. Excellent routining and presentation. His video was called Million Dollar Mysteries. It is a c/s/b routine. I do not know exactly where to get the video or notes, but it is worth a good search.
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
Good choice there, Ferry. I would also take a look at Curtis' DVD POS III (Silverado) to see the CSB done with a completely different type of coin set. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I prefer the Johnson/Lassen variation of the CSB, but using all real coins and a C/S coin for the effect opens up a good deal of other doors. It also opens up opportunities to use more advanced sleight-of-hand techniques.
I love my CSB set, and probably do the effects a little more often than I should (sometimes it's the only gaff I take to the bar, rarely, but sometimes), but there are definitely many different ways to handle it, and many different props that can be employed. BTW, if you do get the Johnson non-silver version, go to the coin store and buy a 2000 BU half dollar... it will basically match the gaff perfectly. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do. Mike |
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Sean Macfarlane Special user 880 Posts |
Hi Paul, I believe I found the routine you mentioned by Scotty York. It certainly is a doozy. Do you perform this?, it sounds like a pretty tough routine that would take a fair amount of work to make it play.
It seems to resemble a segment in one of Curtis Kam's videos/DVD's. Curtis, if you are there could you give some feedback on this routine? |
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lefty New user Paris, France 17 Posts |
Hi Harry!!...euh Ferry
I think it doesn't exist a C/S/B euro version in shops. Now you can make it by Todd Lassen of course but 2€ coin is really small and you need a smaller coin (like 20 centavos and hal dollar). When I made this effect for the first time, I bought a classical version . Not Johnson version. If I have a good memory, I paid the set 150 FF=23€. It was great. Nobody never asked me any question. I used it with a half dollar without any problem because I explained that it was a trick that french people can't understand... Imagine the face of people when I began like that : " May I show you something bizarre...?? Something that no french on the world can understand...bla bla bla..." lol!!!! So, I think you can buy the cheaper and if it is really "dead", send it back!! It's not a big investment but you must never forget that you have to use your imagination . Doc Eason's routine is the best for Doc Eason and yours is the best for you I hope helped you... Lefty
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PaulGreen Inner circle 1133 Posts |
I might as well throw my routine for C/S/B from my DVD, In the Trenches, into the mix. It can also be found in my lecture notes.
Not to mention Cody Fisher's routine would also be a mistake. You have a lot of choices for routines. Good luck in your search. Regards, Paul Green |
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Sean,
The version of C/S/B that appears on "Silverado" is very clearly based on Scotty York's routine using the single gaffed coin. (He also published a completely impromptu, no gaff, no extras version for the truly dedicated) I have adopted his first two sequences for my four-phase routine "Triple Alliance". I can think of no better handling for standup situations where you have no table, and I still do it this way in these settings. When you have the luxury of setting things down, however, I use the handling in my lecture notes for the Magic Castle and LVMI. (still a few copies available thru Kainoa's website) This handling has the advantage of never requiring the audience to deduce the locations of the coins. You simply show them. I think the York approach is superior to the Hayden- style handling for the working pro. In terms of practicality, pocket space, and the ability to "flow" with the moment, it just makes more sense to do the routine with a gaff you're going to be carrying anyway, instead of requiring another set of coins. Plus, the simpler a gaff is, the more times it can be dropped accidentally without serious damage. I'd also suggest that the interested student have a look at David Roth's ungaffed handling of "Two Copper, One Silver" in "Expert Coin Magic". What was the question?....
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