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Leslie Melville
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Is anyone familiar with "The Trick That Goes Further Than Most!" Also sometimes known as "The Whispering Queen". it is a self working card trick involving the Ace of Spades and the rest of the Spades suit.

It was originally shown to me by Patrick Page in the 1970's when he was working behind the counter at Davenport's in London. Billy McComb also performed it at a Scottish SAMS convention in the mid 1980's

Neither at the time knew who originated the trick and I am trying to source its origin.

Anyone out there know whose creation it is?

Thanks in advance!

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I am not sure, but maybe you meant "Further Than That" by Stewart James? It uses the Ace of Spades and the Spades suit as well as the 3 other aces.
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They're all kinda' blending in my mind - but I think I published a routine titled Further Than Further Than That in one of my books. Don't know if that's what you're referring to.
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On Sep 2, 2017, Claudio wrote:
I am not sure, but maybe you meant "Further Than That" by Stewart James? It uses the Ace of Spades and the Spades suit as well as the 3 other aces.

Yeah, should be the one the OP is referring to: Jinx 134, 1941.

Also check out "Three Different Ways" by Mike Skinner. It's in Allan Slaight's "The James File", p. 1545.
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One of our favorite card tricks! Easy-to-do with a tremendous impact. Our history with it goes back to the November 1971 issue of PALLBEARERS REVIEW published by Karl Fulves; later reprinted by Jerry Mentzer in his 1975 book Card Cavalcade 3.

Quote from Allan Slaight in IBIDEM, "..."probably one of the most under-rated card tricks of all time."

Revealed by Stewart James in JINX #134, "...in my presentation it is every bit as effective as Out Of This World."

The above is from our notes on this wonderful trick. Magicians like Jim Ryan (Chicago) and I am sure many others, have tweaked and improved(?) it.

It certainly is worth your time to pursue and perform!

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Thanks for your responses. I have discovered that it is in fact the Stewart James effect.

Patrick Page showed it to me in the mid 1970's when he was working behind the counter at Davenport's in London. I performed it for a while after that - and then stopped. A couple of years later I thought about the trick and couldn't remember the set up! Neither could Pat when I asked him!

Sometime in the late 1980's I again saw it performed by Billy McComb at a Scottish SAMS convention. I told him of my Patrick Page experience and he showed me the working; I have been using it on and off ever since. Neither Pat or Billy mentioned from where it came and I have often wondered whose ingenious mind created the trick.

It was Billy McComb who added the Whispering Queen element, using the Queen of Hearts to identify the Ace of Spades and convey the information to the performer! I guess he borrowed the idea from another Whispering Queen routine.

I also have tweaked it slightly, I continue to use the Whispering Queen element (incorporating a mildly amusing Steve Martin joke - she is a 'dancing' Whispering Queen!) ) where she tells me firstly that it is a black card, then after another visit to the deck says it's a Spade and finally revealing (to my surprise!) that it is the Ace of Spades!

In addition and following the top stack of cards that you need to make the trick work, the rest of my deck are all blank - with the Queen of Hearts on the bottom! It adds another little surprise at the conclusion!

Thanks again for all your interest and responses - much appreciated.

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Leslie Melville
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I should clarify that in saying above that the rest of the deck is 'all blank', I really mean that only the faces are blank!

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I've experimented with different endings, like an omni deck under the final flush (under a joker to keep it hidden) but I've found it unnecessary. Further than That kills lay audiences.

When you get to that last ... "of course, most tricks would end right there... but not this trick, it goes Fur... etc" your audience is howling along with you. Such a fabulously entertaining routine.

I opened with this at a house party a week back and it was a big hit.

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