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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts 
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Yes, you're right about that.
The Mati Envelope
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts
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The only thing wrong, not "a lot", is the lack of crediting.
It should have been credited as Henry Christ's routine. But there is nothing wrong with releasing a video of your take on a public domain routine. Richard Osterlind, Banacheck, and Bob Cassidy have all released similar products. Tony |
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truman Special user 635 Posts
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On Sep 11, 2017, Tony Iacoviello wrote: I'm wondering if Bobo and Mendoza should have also given credit to Christ. |
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magicthree Special user 620 Posts
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My problem with it is that Mental Stud and Junky are the exact same effecct. Even in the MS writeup it says to peek at a card and not fan them to think of a card and that is exactly what Doc says in the video.
MS is a trick that you might skip over in the Annemann book an credit goes out to Doc for bringing it to light but jeeeez, you have to give credit to Henry Christ because he is the original creator. |
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Ben Blau Inner circle 1475 Posts
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This thread has an identity crisis.
On the one hand, we have people here discussing the merits of the routine itself. On the other hand, we have people discussing the issue of crediting. I think it's fair to say that we all know it's a good trick. It's been a good trick since 1939. Therefore, I personally think it's appropriate for this thread to be about crediting. Who knows, maybe Docc simply didn't know the Christ routine and really did manage to reinvent it (?). Unlikely, but it's at least conceivable. Docc himself should make a public statement on this.
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2776 Posts
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On Sep 11, 2017, Ben Blau wrote: Part of the ad copy: "Docc Hilford has taken a little known underground secret and made it so much better." One has to simply look at Docc's past releases to see a pattern. But I love Docc. $10/15 to watch him work is worth it regardless of the effect. s |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts
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On Sep 11, 2017, truman wrote: Mendoza's routine is not based on the Christ routine. It is based on the method that Christ/Annemann call "the old schoolboy trick" which is the underlying method that all versions of this effect use. Tony |
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Waters. Special user 703 Posts
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Tony,
My apologies. Can you PM me, so I can message you back? I would like to ask a question (and your PM function is turned off). Thanks, Sean |
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1120 Posts
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I know Henry Christ's "Mental Stud" from The Jinx and it's a great trick which is based on a classic matrix principle (Conjuring Credits: http://www.conjuringcredits.com/doku.php?id=cards:matrix_card_divination).
I haven't seen Docc Hilford's "Junky", but from the reviews etc. it looks like it's the same trick. I don't know how much Mr. Hillford added to the trick, but he's a smart guy so I can only guess his touches/suggestions are worth the price of the download. (Quick tangent - this reminds me of a download that was released some time ago, which is basically a trick from Royal Road to Card Magic, plus some subtleties, touches etc.) It's obvious that we're not coming up with new card plots every week and what you're working on right now is a variation of an existing trick/plot. Magic books are filled with that type of material, and maybe the fact it's a single trick download, it's received/looked at that way... I don't know. But, of course, proper crediting is a must. I think when you're adding some significant things and have proper crediting/permission to publish stuff, you're good to go. The small touches hidden in many variations can make a big difference. Mike |
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Gorecki Loyal user My servante is currently filled with 268 Posts
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On Sep 11, 2017, Nicolino wrote: What ebook are you referring to, Nicolino? |
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts
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I'm assuming the Jinx
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts
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The Mati Envelope
A brandnew peek device for the working mentalist! Chance's Token Tarot cards in a scenic piece of mystery..... |
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts
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Https://www.amazon.com/Annemanns-Miracle......1I8BHM08
$1.99 for Kindle.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts
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What value...unbelievable.
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts
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On Sep 12, 2017, Nicolino wrote: Thank you Nicolino!
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire
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Gorecki Loyal user My servante is currently filled with 268 Posts
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Thanks, guys! Now downloading to my iPad...
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MinSting Regular user Spain 192 Posts
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Can't remember the trick that uses a deck of card made out of object,
this deck could be much better for this mental trick, you tell them to think about him interacting with think object end you take a guess, that must be pretty accurate no matter what, making it look mind reading... can you guys remember the name of this deck?
My Web: https://www.mentalbrush.com
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MinSting Regular user Spain 192 Posts
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Somethind Docc don't mention is the fact the method is adaptable to work with 3 spectators too,
same method, just 12 cards, 3 spectators, 12 cards, 4 spectators, 20 cards, 5 spectators, 30 cards, ...
My Web: https://www.mentalbrush.com
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Max Hazy.jpg "View Profile") Special user 543 Posts
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I sent an e-mail to penguin about Henry's Mental Stud being pretty much the same thing. Here's the response I got, take your own conclusions:
Shaun Dunn, Sep 21, 05:20 PDT: To some the addition of poker chips is a small contribution but I think it is huge. I personally do not have the ability to read the dates on the backs of coins in low lights conditions. I can't imagine that many people can read the dates from a distant and in fact, most people have to pick up a coin and closely examine it to see what the date is. The Henry Christ version really isn't doable for most people and Junky makes it possible to actually perform it. Also I think you get a lot of value in seeing Docc perform and how he handles the cards. I really do appreciate your interest in preserving the history of magic creations however I think this small addition is worthwhile and necessary part of the effect.
"Your method is in my opinion the very best way to do Q&A"
Millard Longman "Max has pushed some less known and seldom used principles a huge step forward" Jan Forster Arcane Grimoires Vol 1- http://www.maxhazy.com/arcane-grimoires/apocryphal-reach/ Arcane Grimoires Vol 2- http://www.maxhazy.com/Codex-Mentis/ |
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Docc Hilford V.I.P. 377 Posts
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MinSting,
YES! Thank you! Man, Junky rules. It's an old premiss, with a new streamline presentation. I have been opening with it at the dinner theater for weeks. And WAAAAAY to cheap! LOL Docc |
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