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The only thing wrong, not "a lot", is the lack of crediting.

It should have been credited as Henry Christ's routine.

But there is nothing wrong with releasing a video of your take on a public domain routine.

Richard Osterlind, Banacheck, and Bob Cassidy have all released similar products.

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On Sep 11, 2017, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
It should have been credited as Henry Christ's routine.


I'm wondering if Bobo and Mendoza should have also given credit to Christ.
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My problem with it is that Mental Stud and Junky are the exact same effecct. Even in the MS writeup it says to peek at a card and not fan them to think of a card and that is exactly what Doc says in the video.

MS is a trick that you might skip over in the Annemann book an credit goes out to Doc for bringing it to light but jeeeez, you have to give credit to Henry Christ because he is the original creator.
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This thread has an identity crisis.

On the one hand, we have people here discussing the merits of the routine itself. On the other hand, we have people discussing the issue of crediting.

I think it's fair to say that we all know it's a good trick. It's been a good trick since 1939. Therefore, I personally think it's appropriate for this thread to be about crediting. Who knows, maybe Docc simply didn't know the Christ routine and really did manage to reinvent it (?). Unlikely, but it's at least conceivable.

Docc himself should make a public statement on this.
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On Sep 11, 2017, Ben Blau wrote:
maybe Docc simply didn't know the Christ routine and really did manage to reinvent it (?). Unlikely, but it's at least conceivable. Docc himself should make a public statement on this.


Part of the ad copy: "Docc Hilford has taken a little known underground secret and made it so much better."
One has to simply look at Docc's past releases to see a pattern.

But I love Docc. $10/15 to watch him work is worth it regardless of the effect.

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On Sep 11, 2017, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
It should have been credited as Henry Christ's routine.


I'm wondering if Bobo and Mendoza should have also given credit to Christ.


Mendoza's routine is not based on the Christ routine. It is based on the method that Christ/Annemann call "the old schoolboy trick" which is the underlying method that all versions of this effect use.

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Tony,

My apologies. Can you PM me, so I can message you back? I would like to ask a question (and your PM function is turned off).

Thanks,

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I know Henry Christ's "Mental Stud" from The Jinx and it's a great trick which is based on a classic matrix principle (Conjuring Credits: http://www.conjuringcredits.com/doku.php?id=cards:matrix_card_divination).

I haven't seen Docc Hilford's "Junky", but from the reviews etc. it looks like it's the same trick. I don't know how much Mr. Hillford added to the trick, but he's a smart guy so I can only guess his touches/suggestions are worth the price of the download.

(Quick tangent - this reminds me of a download that was released some time ago, which is basically a trick from Royal Road to Card Magic, plus some subtleties, touches etc.)

It's obvious that we're not coming up with new card plots every week and what you're working on right now is a variation of an existing trick/plot. Magic books are filled with that type of material, and maybe the fact it's a single trick download, it's received/looked at that way... I don't know. But, of course, proper crediting is a must.

I think when you're adding some significant things and have proper crediting/permission to publish stuff, you're good to go. The small touches hidden in many variations can make a big difference.

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Do I understand correctly that the Henry Christ, J. B. Bobo, and John Mendoza effects are all essentially the same? If so, and if Christ was first, did Bobo or Mendoza credit him (or anyone else for that matter)? I purchased Junky, and I'm quite happy that I did. Docc's performance is fun to watch, and he has a gift for explaining things clearly.

For a mere $5.95 you get 60 brilliant (and original!) effects by such legendary cardmen as Dai Vernon, Dr. Jacob Daley, Eddie Clever, Audley Walsh, Henry Christ, Charles Jordan, John Scarne, Leo Horowitz, Walter Gibson, Orville Meyer, Ted Annemann and other.

For $15 you get one single effect, devised and scripted by one of the above.


Does that sound right?

What ebook are you referring to, Nicolino?
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Either the Jinx itself or this compilation:

https://trickshop.com/annemann-miracles-card-magic.html
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What value...unbelievable.
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What value...unbelievable.


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Can't remember the trick that uses a deck of card made out of object,

this deck could be much better for this mental trick, you tell them to think about him interacting with think object
end you take a guess, that must be pretty accurate no matter what, making it look mind reading...

can you guys remember the name of this deck?
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Somethind Docc don't mention is the fact the method is adaptable to work with 3 spectators too,
same method, just 12 cards,
3 spectators, 12 cards,
4 spectators, 20 cards,
5 spectators, 30 cards,
...
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I sent an e-mail to penguin about Henry's Mental Stud being pretty much the same thing. Here's the response I got, take your own conclusions:

Shaun Dunn, Sep 21, 05:20 PDT:
To some the addition of poker chips is a small contribution but I think it is huge. I personally do not have the ability to read the dates on the backs of coins in low lights conditions. I can't imagine that many people can read the dates from a distant and in fact, most people have to pick up a coin and closely examine it to see what the date is. The Henry Christ version really isn't doable for most people and Junky makes it possible to actually perform it. Also I think you get a lot of value in seeing Docc perform and how he handles the cards.

I really do appreciate your interest in preserving the history of magic creations however I think this small addition is worthwhile and necessary part of the effect.
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