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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote: Maybe this is fake news - https://gun-control.procon.org/view.reso......D=006094 - but I don't see any dramatic decrease. Except in the unintentional deaths, thank goodness. I'm sure the deaths by high powered weapons is a small percentage of the deaths, but that can change. All that I'm saying is that there is no reason for such powerful weapons to be in the hands of ordinary citizens. I can't find one instance where one was used in defense. If such instances exist they are certainly far fewer than when they're used offensively. There was a ban before, there could be another one. People also have a right to not get shot; as well as to expect the government to take steps to protect them. Instead we have politicians, bought and owned by the NRA, who say that there is nothing that can be done. They actually look annoyed to even talk about it. Paddock had a good plan, and he had a field day. What about when four or five of them get together for their fifteen minutes of infamy? You can say that's fear mongering. I say it's inevitable. I think we can agree that these shootings are a problem, and that something needs to be done. I think that we can also agree that the fact that nothing is really being done is pretty sad.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2017, rockwall wrote: Man, no matter how many times I scrape you off, you just keep climbing back on.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote: Assuming those figures are true, I'd hypothesize that it seems that way because there are more high-profile domestic random massacres. So non-criminals feel more at risk. Against a diminishing background of inter-gang-related violence that does not affect most non-criminals, the foreground of serial killers, massacres and domestic violence stands out more. Just a hypothesis.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2017, NYCTwister wrote: Maybe you should go cry to the mods again. |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Oct 4, 2017, landmark wrote: I'm glad to see that you're for regulations that protect the safety of people. I guess then, that I don't really need to ask whether you're against restricting the sale of silencers which are intended to protect the hearing of gun owners. |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2017, rockwall wrote: And there you are again. You must like the view down there.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2017, rockwall wrote: Well, when I get shot at night, in my bed asleep, I'd rather die peacefully and quietly without waking up. So I guess the silencers are a good thing.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
If that's what you think a silencer does, you're pretty poorly informed.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Wait, so they will still wake me up? Just my luck.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2017, landmark wrote: With all due respect do some research on what Rockwall is speaking of. Just knee jerk sarcasm does not move the ball forward.
Danny Doyle
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Rockwall answers my safety point by switching the conversation, making an assumption about what I believe about silencers. Of course he avoided the substantive point. I had said zero about silencers and have no opinion on them.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
What is your solution to firearm violence?
Danny Doyle
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gallagher Inner circle 1168 Posts |
Ban guns.
Physically. And Intellectually. 'Intellectually'? Today, it's honestly hard, for some to believe, a Life without a weapon is possible. Have we really arrived at this cognitive level? Maybe. But, do we want to remain there? ...if we are? The solution, I believe, is not 'merely', dis-arming'; but in understanding "Why" we are arming. And reversing this. There seem to be strong logical reason for the tendency. Arming. Some obvious,..'physical threat'. Others,...maybe not so obvious or comforatable,.. 'inferiority complexes of a gender or race', 'frustration', 'in-ablity to feel expressed,...understood', 'passed-up.' Painfull thoughts. Potentially dangerous, when not self-controlled. Dis-arming, is the easiest step, ..let's start here, then continue. , . . . . . . ö. . . . . . . ä . . .. "Cars that drive 150 mph", is often used, as a metonym. The driving of automobiles is changing(!), ....FASTER then 150 mph! In 25 years, few if any, will sit behind a steering wheel, contemplating how much is in their tank, ....when their next 'oil change' is due. ...or if they should maybe buy a new air-freshener. This change, will affect EVERYONE,..drastically. Where are the 'rains of fear'? Car accidends do kill people. (Mostly un-intentionally!) We are making changes. Cigarettes,..kill,..killed a lot of folks. We've made a lot of changes. Diapers stink,.. we change them. gallagher p.s.: Those who cannot 'change', are 'chained'. |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2017, landmark wrote: The assumption seemed valid based on your comments about product safety and the question inherit in the assumption pertinent to the discussion at hand. But, since you say you have no opinion on them, that's almost as good since that means you don't support OR oppose legislation making them harder to get. |
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RNK Inner circle 7492 Posts |
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On Oct 5, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote: Thank Goodness a local has his rifle on him when another crazy opened fire at a Church Service in Texas killing 26. Otherwise many more would have been killed. Prayers got out to all those families. Just horrible! My thoughts are guns are like drugs. Just because they are illegal doesn't mean bad and crazy people won't find ways to get them. They will always be in the hands of bad people whether legal or not. There has to be something that can be done to help stop this madness!
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Oct 6, 2017, gallagher wrote: Counterargument: "the great equalizer" - the idea being deterrence of bullying, reckless violence and bandit problems.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Gallagher brings up cars as a "metanym" (whatever that is). It's interesting that one is statistically twice as likely to die in a car accident in the USA as in Germany, in spite of the no-speed-limit Autobahn. In other words, road deaths do not correlate directly with speed.
In the same way, gun deaths do not correlate directly with gun ownership. On another note: when someone wishes to go on a rampage, guns seem to be a popular choice, and are arguably quite effective, and *if* something could be done about it, I would support it. Quite frankly, I don't see what could be done, but I am open to a well-framed argument, as always. Anybody have one? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Most of the arguments seem to revolve around not liking guns so therefore nobody should have one. Or nobody "needs" XXX. And of course the ever popular " you're an idiot if you don't agree with me" position. Both sides use that one.
Not the best framework for an augment in my view.
Danny Doyle
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gallagher Inner circle 1168 Posts |
Some interesting Logic here.
The Deductions are a bit 'il-Logical', however. YES(!). I don't like guns. Because,... the List is long,.. and obvious. THEREFORE, I want them CONTROLLED. Controlled, MORE then they are today. Jonathan Townsend: "the great equalizer". I thought that's why we have Police(?). If the 'police system' isn't working, let's improve it. (Statistics seem to show the opposite, however.) I prefer guns, in the hands of trained professionals. I trust the government, under which I live, to protect me. If YOU can't,.. then YOU really have a problem. I sympathise. "...deterrence of bullying, reckless violence, and bandit problems." What does this say about OUR society? Then, coming down to the same level,.. what does this say of US? I believe there are better methods. Stoneunhinged. Thank you for reading and thinking about my thoughts. When you know a bit more, I think you will agree. True(!). Less traffic accidents, in Germay. Not ONLY higher speed limits, but more cars, as well! What gives? Three things. More control. More control. More control. In Germany, you don't even think about driving, untill you are 18. Then,..the 'thinking' begins(!). Three to six months of schooling. Physical, Mental,..AND Psychological tests. You pick up the tab. It costs 2 to 5 thousand dollars, to get a drivers license, in Germany. Then the fun begins(!). You want a car? You need to find someone willing to insure you. Again mental, physical, psychological,...and FINANCIAL tests(!). Buy a car,...they're cheap. But,..get it inspected EVERY year(!). By 'State inspectors'. Who are ALL Engineers. German Enginners. Fill up your tank,..for 6 Dollars a gallon,.. drive thru a red light,.. ooops,...Lincense gone for one month. Do it agian,...one year. (1 out of 5 traffic lights, in Germany, has a built in camera.) Get caught driving with 0.01% alchohol, in your blood,... License in gone,.. you have to pass rigorous testing to get it back. Psychological Testing. Germany IS more controlled. With Autos,.. AND with Guns. I feel safer here. Strage, with MORE Controls, I feel much FREE-er(!). I don't even THINK about getting shot,.. OR someone 'shooting'. I am happy about the controls. My Arguement AGAINST Guns: "Why peoples have them." Most,..not all, But MOST have them with the intent to harm other peoples. If you have a gun to rob a gas station, You have it to 'threaten' the man behind the counter. If you have a gun to protect yourself against a robber, you have it to 'threaten',.. the robber. I am against Guns, because the 'intent' to own one, in MOST cases, is to hurt another person. (Fatally.) I have problems with this. Gallagher Hayes |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The Americans are mean bad crazy people on drugs and have guns.
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