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Uncle Swarley New user 6 Posts |
This ended up in my email today:
"THIS IS NORMALLY A $300 REGISTRATION! I am in a really GOOD mood. I would like to offer you the opportunity to be added to my VERY SUCCESSFUL (25 students to date) on-line school. A personal 45 min session every other week for 1 year. Now, you will not get the $1,000 WELCOME PACKAGE but you will get: One 45 min session every other week for 52 weeks Customized sessions for each student Every Instagram LIVE lecture FREE for a full year Every other lecture I give, streaming or other..FREE FB Private Group for all students All you have to do is send me $20 and you are in! pay pal enduremiller@gmail.com Or you can use my DONATION button on my home page at www.mentalsights.com and please write "FOR MOTM SCHOOL" in the comment section on Pay Pal. Looking forward to being a student and mentor, Justin Miller" Sounds like a great deal. $20 and you get to have a personal session with JM every other week. Now, I do respect JM as he was one of the first magicians I learned magic from when I first started. I understand that he has been through a lot of controversies, but it would still be great to learn from him. However, this does slightly sound like a scam... Only $20? Isn't that too cheap for his time? That's chump change for the sessions. Also that he wants the money through donation on Paypal... Thoughts? *Side note. Not entirely sure if this is the correct place to post because I am so dizzy and still new on this website. Please let me know if there is a better forum to ask this. Thanks! |
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mh1001 Special user 602 Posts |
I'm pretty sure Justin meant 200 and not 20. If you want, I may ask JM to clarify it.
I purchase a lot from Justin, never got a problem, except when I purchased Flight, his new gimmick for ring flight (someone started a thread about Flight but got deleted after a few days, and this is probably where yours is headed as well - seems like anything mentioning JM is prohibited in this forum), because it never shipped as he apparently never finished or started the project. But I got a $15 to purchase whatever I want, which I've used. |
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mh1001 Special user 602 Posts |
I just got a confirmation it's 200 dollars, not 20. It was a typo.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
A typo, really? Hmmm???
Hard to believe but that carelessness alone would put me off from joining this. Has a follow up email been sent out correcting the error? |
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codydavismagic Veteran user 362 Posts |
I got another email saying only 20.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
Maybe he means 20$ down.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Why hasn't he come here to clarify himself?
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mantel Special user 922 Posts |
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On Oct 9, 2017, Mindpro wrote: He can't. He is banned. However he is currently offering The Real Work Project for the same price as The Meeting of the Minds typo price. But the project is being delayed slightly because Justin has to wait for his broken hand to heal. Quote:
Justin N. Miller wrote: |
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egoli Special user The only magician from Que Que, Southern Rhodesia 737 Posts |
Caveat emptor - I have heard every excuse in the book from him
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magicnorm Special user 509 Posts |
BUYER BEWARE.
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
I signed up for MOTM in May for an introductory price of $300. The idea was to have one half hour class every week, but that has since been changed to one 45 minute class biweekly. We also got a huge bonus package of all sorts of his digital releases, and he promised to give us every new release throughout the year free of charge. He's been true to his word on that, and has been updating our MOTM folders as new releases come out.
First session was a getting to know you session, setting expectations and goals, him finding out our interests and what we want to learn, etc. At the end he gave us a homework assignment that involved coming back to the next session with video footage of us performing live. And then classes started to be cancelled for one reason or another - he's had a lot going on in his life beyond the broken hand - so the upshot is that we didn't have another class until October. Some guys apparently have had eight classes already, and if so god bless them, but on October 7, 2017, I just finished my third class since May. Having said that, it was a really good class. Justin reviewed my performance videos and stopped them where appropriate to critique the good and the bad, and to offer suggestions for making the presentations and effects stronger. That's exactly the sort of personalized mentorship I was looking for, and the advice he gave I will be using. It's nice to have the opportunity to learn from a seasoned, creative pro who's been there, done that, and gets to the point with no BS. So I'm stoked about the classes again, and hoping we can keep to a more regular schedule going forward.
Now appearing nightly in my basement.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
AFA keeping to a more regular schedule going forward...I wouldn't count on it.
What do you plan on doing when your 52 weeks are up and you've only had a few classes? Justin is counting on you justifying that those few classes were worth it, so hopefully you will feel that they were. |
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Yuan Moons Veteran user 348 Posts |
I wonder who Uncle Swarley is with his only post starting this thread... 😀
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Uncle Swarley New user 6 Posts |
If it is $200 I will pass. But ya, having such a huge typo screams no to me anyways. I also got another email today saying it was $20. This is a joke right? :o
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mh1001 Special user 602 Posts |
Uncle Swarley and videoman,
Instead of your pointless rambling, why can't you calm down a bit and ask politely ? JM told me it's a typo, I told you so, unless you think I'm lying. You got another mail which says $20 because it's how things were when he initially sent a series of mail. Since the initial one has a typo, the others as well. It was too late to make the correction. He also warned me I will get other mails like that... egoli, I know what you're talking about. I remember you purchased Flight and were eager to wait for its release, which never happened. I never got my gimmick, so obviously you didn't get yours too. JM offered me some credits to buy at his store, so well I have purchased the No Magic Lecture Series, but I would love to get Flight. And yes, as someone here says, JM seems to go through so many problems... $200 is super cheap, one reason which makes me hesitate is because 1) I have purchased too many stuff these last two months so I need to wait before releasing so much cash and 2) I scheduled a skype session with JM, at beginning of 2017, but he cancelled it and I got a credit instead. But since MaxFieldsMagic didn't have issues with JM after his subscription, maybe I will try that, later on. I'm sure JM will make some good Christmas offer, as he usually does. |
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Uncle Swarley New user 6 Posts |
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On Oct 10, 2017, Yuan Moons wrote: :o. Just joined Magic Café, though I've done magic for a while. Is it just me or is this forum extremely hard to navigate through though? I love reading posts though; lots of insight. Haha. Had to post this thread though because I didn't know where else to ask :S @mh1001 I have to obviously be skeptical about a $20 offer that seemed too good to be true and it turns out it was. I posted on this to find out what the situation was, and I found out the answer which you gave me about the $20 > $200 typo. That just worries me though because people who don't know that its a typo (like I was planning to), will have ended up sending JM $20 donations on Paypal and then there's a whole other mess. Anyways that is all. I just wanted to know what the situation was. I'll refrain from pumping out $200 for now because I am poor. Thanks for the answer. (I'll admit I am a little sad that it isn't $20. Would have been a great steal to meet JM alone) |
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mh1001 Special user 602 Posts |
Uncle Swarley, yeah I understand what you felt. $20 was just too good. That's why I sent a mail to Justin. But honestly, $200 is a good deal, really. Problem being that I've saved so much money for Eoin O'Hare's Stripper Jig and Breather Jig, recently, more than 500 euros (not dollars, but euros !). This nice offer comes at a very bad time, i.e., when I don't have enough money left. Well, technically, I have enough, but I need to spread out...
I'm interested, anyway, to hear what people who subscribed have to say. I have no doubt he is a very good magician. |
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
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On Oct 9, 2017, videoman wrote: He seems like a reasonable guy, so I'm sure we'll agree on an arrangement. Cross that bridge, and all.
Now appearing nightly in my basement.
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mh1001 Special user 602 Posts |
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On Oct 12, 2017, MaxfieldsMagic wrote: Same here. When something didn't go as planned, JM always try to find a solution. One thing I know for sure, he seems very reluctant to accept a refund. But in return, he told me he will offer many many downloads for free if I cancel my refund. So, somehow, I got a lot of materials for almost nothing, and everyone is happy in the end. |
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Magicalos Special user 557 Posts |
Hes been banned from here for shady past practices last I knew?...he always throws $large amount 'packages' of his old stuff at you for spending 20$ to join his crap, never on time, never on schedule 'lecture series' he is super reluctant to work with people in my experience. once he has your money unless its paypal you aren't getting it back! he will offer you downloads or anything to keep your money....thank god for paypal which he even was complaining about his account being negative since I opened a claim against him (not my fault you don't keep money in your payapal account-that actually makes you seem even more shady if you are always withdrawing your funds after someone sends you 20$) after requesting a refund on a trick which YOU bait and switched after promo video with nice ring to giving out a F%^King soda can tab instead of a nice ring.....im done, I'm out, and I hope others follow. I have had enough of your bs jusitin.
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