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willtupper
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So, the Wikipedia entry for The Professor says that his first name can be pronounced, "alternatively as DIE or as DAY as in David."

This doesn't seem right to me. Just not... precise enough.

I have (I'm embarrassed to admit) never actually HEARD anyone ever pronounce it. Just read it, many, many times, in several different books.

So, I thought I would ask?

How does one pronounce Dai Vernon's first name, anyway?

And while I know I could probably scour YouTube and possibly find a video where someone (with hopefully, a certain level of authority) says it, I would rather ask here.

And so now, I have.

Is it "Die?" Is it "Day?" And if it IS "Die," then why has no one ever photoshopped his face over Bruce Willis's on the poster for the "Die Hard" movies?

I mean, seriously. That would be perfect, right?
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Look at it this way, David Frederick Wingfield Verner was Vernon's given name. Say David and consider if shortened to "Dai" would it sound like "Die" or "Day"?

I don't think it would matter. Of course you could always ask John Carney.

Max Maven (Phil Goldstein) used the "Die" pronunciation.


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I always called the Professor, "Die" Vernon and during the time he was still with us, he never corrected me. I believe that most of the East Coast magicians pronounced his shortened name as "Day" and magi on the West Coast always referred to him as "Die". The professor responded to both in equally positive ways. So, really both are correct.


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I pronounce it "Die" because I know another guy named Dai, who pronounces it that way.

What I've read corresponds to what Mark said - he responded to either pronunciation equally.
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"Die" is how it was always said around his haunt, the Magic Castle.
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If you search for Dai Vernon on you tube there is a very informative video about his life. I believe it was filmed for Canadian television. I recall they mentioned he began using the shortened name a young man. They also mention his nickname "The Professor."
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I too THINK it was "Die" on the West coast and "Day" in the East. (...or maybe not Smile )

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I have always heard it pronounced "Die" but I find it really interesting that there is a coastal difference. Makes me wonder about the folks in the middle of the country. :-p
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Dai, pronounced "Die" is the Welsh for David.
So, I would pronounce it as the Welsh do.
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Oh, my goodness. That is fascinating, and so much more than I expected when I first posted the question.

I'm humbled & grateful for all your time and replies. Mystery solved, at least to my mind.

Much, much obliged.
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I asked Max Maven about this once, and he said when one asked Dai which pronunciation he preferred, The Professor always shrugged and said, "Either/Either" (pronouncing it both 'eether and eyether'). He said people called (and Dai answered to) both.

For the record, Stanyon's right - Max does pronounce it "Die".

Bottom line: You're ALL correct. Smile
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So cool. Thank you, Misty (and everybody else) for all of your help!
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My vote is with "DIE" always have heard it this way and have always pronounced it that way.

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Vernon wrote in one of his Genii columns in the 70s that his name was pronounced "die."
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His name was pronounced "Day" for his entire life until he moved to the west coast in, I think, 1963.
How it became "Die" out there I have no idea. But everyone who knew him from before his move called him "Day," and everyone who met him after he moved called him "Die."
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What an interesting thread Smile. And thanks for that bit of info, Mr Kaufman, you learn something new every day.
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The first time that I lectured at the Castle in the very early '70s, I had not met Dai, but, I knew a bit about him through Jay Marshall.

So, when he walked up, after I finished, I knew that he was going to say "something", but "what"!

He flicked some ashes off his cigar, smiled, and simply said, "A lot of the fellows at the Castle, should have been here for this!"

A few years later, when I was doing a week in the Parlor, he came, with Dick Cavett, and, stayed for the whole act!

I tell another story, or two, about him, in my book. We were never "close", but had a mutual respect.

Being from the east (Michigan) I always said "Day". Philip Goldstein was from Boston. I suppose that when he moved west, he adopted the "Castle pronunciation"! hee hee
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Www.meaning-of-names.com/welsh-names/dai.asp

Meaning of "Dai". Welsh name. In Welsh, the name Dai means - Shines. A Welsh diminutive of David, meaning beloved or friend... Other origins for the name Dai include - Welsh, Irish, Japanese. The name Dai is most often used as a boy name or male name.

The welsh version of Dai is pronounced as "die", I have no idea if this has any bearing on how Dai Vernon became "Dai" or if he has any welsh ancestry, but that's how we pronounce it here in Wales.

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Cool history Magic Taffy. Thank you!
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On Oct 23, 2017, Misty Lee wrote:
I asked Max Maven about this once, and he said when one asked Dai which pronunciation he preferred, The Professor always shrugged and said, "Either/Either" (pronouncing it both 'eether and eyether'). He said people called (and Dai answered to) both.

For the record, Stanyon's right - Max does pronounce it "Die".

Bottom line: You're ALL correct. Smile


Yes, the Professor would reply with that answer ("eetheir or eyether") when he was asked by west-coast and east-coast magicians which he preferred.
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