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Bob G
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Hi folks,


I'm trying to focus my learning by choosing tricks that excite me and learning the sleights needed to perform those tricks. I have in mind my own variation of the wild 9 trick, which requires a Hamman count.



But -- I don't know any false counts. So my question is, will it make my learning of the Hamman count easier if I first learn the Elmsley count? Or will learning Hamman be just as easy (or hard) to learn regardless of whether I already know Elmsley?



I realize, of course, that Elmsley is used in a *lot* more tricks than Hamman is. But right now the sleight I'm excited about learning is Hamman.


Thanks for your help!


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Why not learn them both? They are both fun and usefull.

So, you have your own variation of a trick that requires the Hamman count but you don't know how to do the count?
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If you're serious about card magic, learn them both. You'll use both of them a lot, no question about it. In answer to you're question though, no, learning the Elmsley doesn't really help with the Hamman. The Elmsley count is typically done with the cards in a more mechanics grip and/or pinching the cards at the sides while the Hamman count's grip much more closely resembles a biddle grip.
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Thanks to you both. Yes, I plan to learn both of them in time, absolutely. But not all at once!


I've read a lot more than I've practiced, so I know *about* much more than I *know*, if you see what I mean. . Giobbi has a trick, I think it's called the "Really Wild Nine Trick" - probably a version of the famous "Wild Card Trick," but I'd have to look both up again to make sure. I'd like to turn the situation into a story about two devils playing some kind of game with the backs of red and blue cards. There's a big bad devil and a little good devil, and the former cheats and is winning for a while. But then, to his surprise, the backs of his cards start changing color, and he ends up losing.


My wife and I have a 28-year old daughter, and the two of them are my audience at the moment. We've all retained our child-like love of simple stories like the one I just described.


Since I have a trick I need the Hamman count for, I'm happy to hear that I can start with the Hamman count.


By the way, can you folks suggest other tricks that use the Hamman count? There are so many uses of the Elmsley count that I hardly know where to start. (Not twisitng the aces -- he said sacrilegiously -- because I never found it all that interesting on the videos I've seen.) But the Wild Card is the only use I know of for the Hamman count.
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You have a good audience there Smile
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When I was working on this sleights (50 years ago) I practice both of them : one Elmsley, one Hamman and so on, trying to keep the same rhythm. This has worked for me, why not trying that ?
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Interesting idea, Chris, thanks for the suggestion. I wish *I* had started 50 years ago -- I'm coming to magic latish in my life. It's wonderful fun.
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But you have a long life ahead of you, enjoy this years in the world of magic (not only).
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Bob G, houps, I make a mistake I have confused the Hamman count with the Jordan count and one Elmsley, one Jordan and so on is a good way for practice both, but if you want to master the Hamman you must work on it and only on it and you will discover several ways to make it.
Sorry for that error.
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Thanks for the clarification, Chris, and the good wishes!
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