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Peter Goldfield
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Thank you for stepping in with a thoughtful and thorough reply Normative. I too am very concerned and disturbed by what our “community” is projecting. The silence is deafening. Change is slow but I do believe we’re at a watershed moment globally on the topic of ABUSE towards Women.
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As you probably know, David Copperfield faced a dubious rape allegation almost ten years ago. It caused quite a stir at the time, especially when the police raided his Vegas premises.
No evidence was found.
The woman in question apparently made a similar sexual assault allegation about another male in a completely different case.
This separate allegation was rejected by those investigating the matter.
Her credibility was destroyed.
Copperfield was never charged and the woman dropped her lawsuit.
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Meanwhile, the ratio of male to female magicians still averages 30:1, easily, and we're continuing to losing a lot of *male* magicians at an alarming rate. Do we seriously expect female magicians to be ok with the "uncorroborated allegations" b.s. anytime there's allegation of wrongdoing?

"Allegation" means just that - someone is alleging someone violated someone else. Not that anything was proven, only that it was alleged. I do not understand why it's so problematic to want magic to be safe for everyone.
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On Oct 25, 2017, rjs wrote:
As you probably know, David Copperfield faced a dubious rape allegation


Guys are so dumb sometimes. You know what Chuck Berry used to do? When he hooked up with a gal, before anything serious happened, he took pictures. Lots of pictures of he and the woman smiling, laughing, hugging, and just really happy to be together in various states of undress. There's no way she could come back a week (or over a decade) later and say that Chuck forced her into something.

That was over a half century ago, but I doubt that many people have followed that smart lead. Guys with some accumulated wealth need to wake up and think with the head on their shoulders!
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I like Chuck Berry, but that last post (MJE) just smacked of teaching celebrities how to get away with taking advantage of women. On occasion, a woman will make false allegations of sexual abuse to get money, or revenge, etc. But the essence of what's happening now is that women (and men, eg Quentin Tarantino) have been mostly silent about sexual abuse from celebrity rich guys like Harvey Weinstein; but are now speaking up, even though they know they may NOT be able to prove allegations (thus the #metoo hashtag). This isn't about any particular celebrity. Each case should be considered separately with presumption of innocence; including in David Blaine's case. Lynn
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I like Chuck Berry, but that last post (MJE) just smacked of teaching celebrities how to get away with taking advantage of women. On occasion, a woman will make false allegations of sexual abuse to get money, or revenge, etc.


Or MJE' s post was a mini tutorial on how to legally protect yourself after an evening of consensual fun? At the drop of a collapsible top hat, it can dramatically shift to a horror story on a woman's whim.

Frightening...isn't it?
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I am sure more women have experienced the shift from fun night to horror story due to a man's whim, than the other way around.
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I am sure more women have experienced the shift from fun night to horror story due to a man's whim, than the other way around.


Sure-but in what way does that make an innocent man a criminal? Judges and prosecutors are champing at the bit to prosecute and punish sex offenders. That the accused individual might possibly be innocent of the charges is irrelevant. Our judicial system considers prosecution of the innocent collateral damage...oh well, we goofed again.

If the prosecutor detects a weak case against the accused--and they don't like to lose--he or she will throw the carrot out and attempt to cut a deal: If the accused confesses his sins, then a much lighter sentence will be thrown, with the stigma of the crime for the rest of the accused's life. If the accused maintains his innocence, he could face a long prison sentence if it goes to trial and he loses.
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It's eye-opening to look up Wikipedia on "rape statistics", "false allegations of rape" and the definition of "rape" as well! False allegations of rape do indeed occur (US Dept of Justice in 1997 put it at 8%). On the other hand, it's considered a severely under-reported crime (estimates are 91.6% go un-reported). Marital rape was not even illegal in some parts of the US until the 70's! Rape is a severe violation of one's body, possibly causing severe emotional pain throughout one's life. It happens to gay men and children of both sexes as well! Again, "severely under-reported". The original topic was about David Blaine, whom I've long admired; and I think a good point of orientation always is presumption of innocence when such an allegation is made. But as the topic has veered off course, I'd like to uphold a woman's right to speak out (#metoo) on sexual abuse in these times. It's more than women's careers that are at stake. Lynn
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Hypothetical situation: There's a dog in a yard, with a fence that is easy to reach through. 90% or more of the time you reach towards that dog to pet it, it bites you. One day, someone walks up with a bite mark, and says, "That dog bit me" and the owner says, "No it didn't."

It's not unreasonable to assume that dog bit that person.

Very few reports are determined to be false accusations, statistically. Given that I can probably think of 2 or 3 dozen women who have been attacked or harassed by a man in their life, and I can only think of one man who suffered from a false accusation (Which, I'm going to be honest, I don't know if it was actually was 100% false) - I'm going to be swayed to be sympathetic to the group that's consistently attacked and who's concerns are consistently dismissed by the group who frequently attacks them and gets away with no consequences.

I am not saying Blaine is guilty. That's not my call to make, and I don't envy the person who has to make that call. But I don't think anyone should dismiss her claims just because he's famous.
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Another woman has come forward alleging rape: https://www.yahoo.com/news/david-blaine-......230.html
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Yes--another individual has indeed come forward and this time the NYPD want to question Blaine. He has had the Atlantic Ocean to protect him from Scotland Yard, but this time it's on our shores.
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Jerry Sadowitz cruelly mocks the David Blaine 'incident' in his latest one man show.
He reckons Blaine is so retarded by drug use that he no longer has the energy and agility to rape a model...
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Here is a crazy idea. How about we wait for the facts to come out?
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Here is a crazy idea. How about we wait for the facts to come out?


Exactly! And they wont come from the court of public opinion! Lynn
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On Nov 6, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
Here is a crazy idea. How about we wait for the facts to come out?


Exactly! And they wont come from the court of public opinion! Lynn


They almost never do.
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Jerry Sadowitz cruelly mocks the David Blaine 'incident' in his latest one man show.
He reckons Blaine is so retarded by drug use that he no longer has the energy and agility to rape a model...


Sadowitz is mentally ill. I think that's been obvious for decades. Anyone who saw my interview with Blaine at the Genii Convention knows full well he is perfectly clear of mind. Accusations of "being so retarded by drug use" are plainly libelous. Sadowitz has also made numerous libelous statements regarding me.
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This is just so hard for me to imagine. Not enjoying a man's performance is no reason to level ridiculous unfounded charges. I do not particularly enjoy the way the man presents magic. This does not make him a drug addict.

I also would not mock another performers troubles from the stage. That seems less than cool also.
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On Oct 21, 2017, Peter Goldfield wrote:
Leo,

That’s bull. It’s been horrible for woman in a system geared in favour of men. The ‘growing pains’ you and many other men are experiencing is due to your reluctance to give up some of your power to return balance in the world.

These allegations should be taken seriously. David has stated that he has nothing to hide and will answer any questions.

Ps: if it were your daughter, sister, wife making claims, would you not want to have the matter investigated?



I could not disagree with you more. You obviously have no clue what happens if an angry girlfriend calls the cops on you. Plan on at least 1 night in jail plus classes and hoops to jump thru that cost a lot of $$$$. I've seen it happen several times. I'm not saying these women are liars but, some of them are, period. Also, there are plenty of sick power hungry, think they are above the law perverts out there. $.02
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I support these women, and any others coming forward with accusations of assault or harassment in our industry and community. It's absurd to believe this widespread abuse never reached our little boys club, and I hope we move forward with a zero tolerance attitude to uncover and remove any offenders as swiftly and firmly as possible, to prove to our clients and each other that a magic show or club meeting will always be a safe space.

David Blaine deserves a thorough investigation, and if necessary after that a fair trial. If I were ever accused I would expect the same, and I would also hope that the women involved were supported and their claims not dismissed until that investigation had cleared me beyond question.
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