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Can anyone suggest tricks, besides the zillions of variations on The Wild Card, that use the Hamman Count? If possible, please supply references.


Thanks for your help!


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Many many, one of them : Dominique Duvivier "Printing".
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Roy Walton's oil water and queens
So much to do, so little time . . .
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Cardboard Chameleons by Andrew Normansell.

Nice little packet trick using just 5 cards.
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Thanks, guys.

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Cardboard Chamelions is a hard routine to learn although it is a miracle to watch. I have been working the 6 as 6 for a couple months now in my spare "chair" time. Looking to start the next section of the routine soon. I just bought 3 different decks to make up extra sets of card when they wear out and would recommend the same to others. $.02

I bought mine on Daryls site. Daryl.net I believe.
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John Bannon's "The Royal Scam" http://johnbannonmagic.com/fractalcardma......cam.html (scroll down about half a page to get to it).
It is also in print in his book "High Caliber" pg 3.

Also, according to the book "The Secrets Of Brother John Hamman" by Richard Kaufman, pg 213, 1956 or 1958-ish The Hamman Count was introduced in an effect called "The Mystic Nine" BUT... this is one of the zillion variations of a "Wild Card" effect.

Much like "The Four Card Trick" by Alex Elmsley, I really enjoy learning the effects that made certain counts come about in order to make the effect work. (Alex's contribution to this trick was "The Ghost Count" (later re-named and referred to as "The Elmsley Count". Which is why I still added "The Mystic Nine" as a reference worth looking at).
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To DB: If you're finding Carboard Chameleons hard to learn that I definitely should wait on it. Still working on Color Monte (partly because I'm working on *lots* of magic, and my job keeps getting in the way (:) Nice to hear from you again.


To Poof-Daddy: Thanks for the reference. I'll look into The Royal Scam. How would you assess its difficulty. I've been practicing and reading about magic for about a year and a half. Haven't performed much.


I'm intringued by your interest in seeing how counts (or other sleights, I imagine) come about in order to create a certain effect. The creatie process is fascinating whatever the field.


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On Nov 23, 2017, Bob G wrote:
To DB: If you're finding Carboard Chameleons hard to learn that I definitely should wait on it. Still working on Color Monte (partly because I'm working on *lots* of magic, and my job keeps getting in the way (:) Nice to hear from you again.


To Poof-Daddy: Thanks for the reference. I'll look into The Royal Scam. How would you assess its difficulty. I've been practicing and reading about magic for about a year and a half. Haven't performed much.


I'm intringued by your interest in seeing how counts (or other sleights, I imagine) come about in order to create a certain effect. The creatie process is fascinating whatever the field.


Bob


The absolute best advise I can give you is "DO NOT TRY TO LEARN A BUNCH OF STUFF ALL AT ONCE". I tried that. You'll never learn it all. kind of like updating apps on your phone, if you hit the "update all" button it takes for ever to update. If you go 1 at a time it will update each app faster. Smile Color Monte, whatta great trick! Keep on keepin' on Bob! $.02
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Thanks, DB! Yes, I know... I guess at the beginning it's so excititng that it's hard to avoid wanting to "update all." But your point is well taken. I actually do have one trick that I'm working on, with a few others in mind down the line, including color monte, that I work on now and then less intensively. But I know I could do better at focusing, so thanks Dad. (:


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That was supposed to be a smiley face at the end there! (: Smile
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The Royal Scam is fairly easy to learn. Fun to practice as well.

Hannam count and Elmsley are the main sleights.

It is a forgiving vtrick as well. If you flash whilst performing the elmsleys, it really doesn't effect the final kickers.

It isa long trick though, so performance counts for a lot. I look to inject comedy throughout with this one.
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Thanks, SugarRayRick. I appreciate the info.

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On Nov 23, 2017, Bob G wrote:
To DB: If you're finding Carboard Chameleons hard to learn that I definitely should wait on it. Still working on Color Monte (partly because I'm working on *lots* of magic, and my job keeps getting in the way (:) Nice to hear from you again.


To Poof-Daddy: Thanks for the reference. I'll look into The Royal Scam. How would you assess its difficulty. I've been practicing and reading about magic for about a year and a half. Haven't performed much.


I'm intringued by your interest in seeing how counts (or other sleights, I imagine) come about in order to create a certain effect. The creatie process is fascinating whatever the field.


Bob


The absolute best advise I can give you is "DO NOT TRY TO LEARN A BUNCH OF STUFF ALL AT ONCE". I tried that. You'll never learn it all. kind of like updating apps on your phone, if you hit the "update all" button it takes for ever to update. If you go 1 at a time it will update each app faster. Smile Color Monte, whatta great trick! Keep on keepin' on Bob! $.02


Great advice.

As an amateur that's how I am looking at things with magic nowadays.

In the past I learn tricks, and forget tricks and they never become staples of my routines.

For 2017, I have allowed myself only one purchase. Mini chop cup, last Xmas. I have practiced and practiced and performed. Refining it so it ihas become a strong addition to my portfolio.

I'm still to decide what my 2018 purchase will be. Could be a thumb tip - and learn some thumb tip magic. 😀
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It's true that I'm rather scattered in my learning, although, as I mentioned, I'm much more focused than I used to be. So it's partly a matter of self-disipline. I like your approach of buying just one new item each year, though I imagine you also have to buy some dvd's or books to learn how to use the items?



But here's a related question. Do you have a big enough audience that you can perform one trick over and over for different audiences and perfect your trick? My problem right now is that my only audience is my wife, daughter, and a few close friends. It strikes me as a bit of a dilemma: Once I become a decent performer, I'd like to do some vounteer work, in nursing homes or hospitals, something of that sort. But right now I don't have the skills and practical experience to do that. So how do I get from point A (relative beginner with lots of book knowledge and a handful of sleights down) to point B (compentent magician who can give free shows to a variety of audiences)? One person on the Café suggested going to the mall and approaching people in a tactful way, but I'm not very comfortable with that. I teach at a college, so I guess I could contact colleagues and ask if they're willing to let me try things out with them. Suggestions would be welcome.


As far as I can tell, there's no active magical community where I live. There used to be some years ago when we still had a real magic shop in town. There's a great shop with a *very* active community, based around a magic shop, about 45 minutes from where I live. At the moment I don't have time to head there regularly -- too many projects for work that need to be completed. But that will change in the next few years.
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Bob be careful doing nursing homes. Maybe "be careful" is the wrong term. I've done 2 back in the early 90's at the beginning of my magic addiction. I know it was appreciated by staff and the folks who understood what was going on. God bless you for having some "Give a Shhh" for other people. Good on you if you make that jump! $.02


Oh and don't do a card trick for a room full of older people! Hahaa! Don't ask me how I know that. Smile


Sugar ray: get you a thumb tip!!!!! Pm me I have quite a few. I'll send you one if you really don't have one. Smile.
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Okay, DB, consider me warned! Sounds like there are some interesting (nightmarish?) stories behind your post.


So consider me a magic addict who's 20-25 years behind you. How did you find people to practice on when you started?! How do amateur magicians find audiences?
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On Nov 24, 2017, Bob G wrote:
It's true that I'm rather scattered in my learning, although, as I mentioned, I'm much more focused than I used to be. So it's partly a matter of self-disipline. I like your approach of buying just one new item each year, though I imagine you also have to buy some dvd's or books to learn how to use the items?



But here's a related question. Do you have a big enough audience that you can perform one trick over and over for different audiences and perfect your trick? My problem right now is that my only audience is my wife, daughter, and a few close friends. It strikes me as a bit of a dilemma: Once I become a decent performer, I'd like to do some vounteer work, in nursing homes or hospitals, something of that sort. But right now I don't have the skills and practical experience to do that. So how do I get from point A (relative beginner with lots of book knowledge and a handful of sleights down) to point B (compentent magician who can give free shows to a variety of audiences)? One person on the Café suggested going to the mall and approaching people in a tactful way, but I'm not very comfortable with that. I teach at a college, so I guess I could contact colleagues and ask if they're willing to let me try things out with them. Suggestions would be welcome.


As far as I can tell, there's no active magical community where I live. There used to be some years ago when we still had a real magic shop in town. There's a great shop with a *very* active community, based around a magic shop, about 45 minutes from where I live. At the moment I don't have time to head there regularly -- too many projects for work that need to be completed. But that will change in the next few years.


I'm lucky in my job, as a trainer I'm regularly visiting new clients.

After two hours of training, I send them on a break, after the break I bring them all up to the front of the room, standing around me. I don't ask if they want to see a trick, I just ask a few questions then move into a monte routine. 5 mins, they laugh throughout and literally stuns them at the end. 😀

I only have a handful of tricks, sleights and routines in my arsenal. They don't know that though.

You may have a similar opportunity if you teach in a college.
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Nice. A similar model might well work with me: take it slow, add a new trick only when I'm really confident with the old ones, practice the new one with family, friends, a few colleagues, then look for other opportunities. Of course, I have the same students for the whole semester, but I always have students, advisees, etc. Thanks, SRR.
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Bob be careful doing nursing homes. Maybe "be careful" is the wrong term. I've done 2 back in the early 90's at the beginning of my magic addiction. I know it was appreciated by staff and the folks who understood what was going on. God bless you for having some "Give a Shhh" for other people. Good on you if you make that jump! $.02


Oh and don't do a card trick for a room full of older people! Hahaa! Don't ask me how I know that. Smile


Sugar ray: get you a thumb tip!!!!! Pm me I have quite a few. I'll send you one if you really don't have one. Smile.


Thanks for the offer DB, I wasn't joking. I don't own a thumb tip. However I live in Australia, so I don't want to put you out.

My initial plan is to learn what this guy does at approx 1:40. https://youtu.be/zrFM0tKI21A

I like how he uses a silk to camaflouge the TT, and of course pulling the silk out from the kids sleeve. I soooo gotta learn that.
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