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I see sometimes magicians say not good to do magic with things like sponge whatever or bra trick. When I was the young I did them all the time. I even buy a book "Sexy Magic". So is it wrong to do this kind of things with adult people? I think it's ok but why so many magicians say no?
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Generally, no, you shouldn't do it. It comes off as cheap, juvenile, crass and even disgusting. Not fun or funny. Especially when men do it. Women can get away with it a bit more. "Blue" magic is best when it just hints and winks at sexuality, and let's the audience draw the dirty conclusion. Like with Cody Fisher's 3 Ropes and 1000 Laughs version of professor's nightmare. Or Wayne Dobson's Sexting. These are suggestive, not overtly sexual, and they let the audience make the sexual conclusions in their own minds, without the crassness of bra tricks or rubber dongs.

Besides, it kind of says your magic or performance aren't strong enough to stand on their own.
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I think it's important to consider consent as well. Are you performing in a space or environment where that kind of material would be welcomed by the audience? Then, maybe? I have a hard time imagining what those circumstances might be. Also, consider the consent of volunteers as well. Something that ultimately ends in embarrassment or a "gotcha" moment of a sexual nature without the volunteer's consent would be wrong (and very likely would alienate your audience as well.)
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I'll go out on a limb here and say that eroticism and sexuality are completely legitimate themes for magical presentation, for the right audiences of course. I don't consider the bra trick or sponge dongs to be erotic, just smutty and crude.

Lance Burton's levitation and Copperfields water levitation were both very erotic.
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Anyone ever see Heba do the Baffing Bra?

There are no hard and fast rules for this stuff.

In general erotic or not, performance that makes a spectator feel uncomfortable without consent is not right in my view.
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Danny please explain consent how? Do you have to tell them what you will do? Or is it ok to say can I do something that might embarrass you? Only if they say yes is ok? Yes?
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On Oct 29, 2017, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Danny please explain consent how? Do you have to tell them what you will do? Or is it ok to say can I do something that might embarrass you? Only if they say yes is ok? Yes?


You have to read your audience and know who you are performing for. In a family setting, you don't want to do sponge genitalia or bra tricks. In other settings, it may not be an easy thing to do. You must always consider who the audience is and will your performance embarrass anyone or be in poor taste.
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"wrong" isn't the right word. It's not a matter of right and wrong in most cases. Any subject is valid for artistic expression.

Context is important, as stated previously in this thread.

Think of this way - I once saw a performer, a balloon modeller, pull two people up on stage. One was a guy, one was a woman. The woman, he gave exaggerated breasts to, and the guy, he made a balloon phallus. He wanted the guy to pretend to pleasure himself until the balloon popped in a shower of powder. The guy refused and the performer popped the balloon. The guy just walked off and the audience didn't even applaud when the performer finished his "act".

Do you want to be the guy that, whenever he is thought of, people think of how embarrassing and uncomfortable it was to even see him or think of his name? To this day I am creeped out by balloon twisters in general because of this one guy.

I would hope you'd want to avoid that.
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Sorry there is right and wrong.

Doing something like that with kids in the audience would be just wrong.
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I said it right there in my post, "Context is important".
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I disapproved of erotic magic in an earlier post, but I actually have a very raunchy "blue" act which can be done for the right audience. The right audience for my act is, for example, a cruise ship full of gay men or lesbians, who traditionally have gay themed entertainment in a venue of adults with a sexual-orientation theme setting. There are comedians who do sexual material for such audience, for instance. Doing it in that setting constitutes "consent." They know the kind of entertainment that will be there, and they go with an expectation that there will be strong sexual content.

For a general audience, it would be inappropriate.
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That absolutely is consent.
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Years ago, you'll figure out how long ago when I tell you who I saw perform. I was in Hollywood and just decided to walk the Blvd. and check out some of the local talent in some of the small bar clubs.
I had a choice between two small bars. One was a strip bar, not my scene until I saw the Venue Board out front. On it read, Belinda the Magic Stripper. Well the Magic got my interest, the other bar would
have to wait. The show I saw was nothing short of amazing and erotic but very tasteful. I sat at my table just say 10 feet from the stage. Out came a very pretty young lady, boa and all. The lights dimmed
and the usual stripper music ensued. She began her stripping routine, but as she stripped she started to vanish. The whole act lasted about 15 minutes worth of dancing and stripping with a little bit more
and more of her vanishing. Just as the last glove came off the boa fell to the floor in sync with the lights coming on. Best act I've ever seen using black art, timing was perfect.

I left the strip bar and went to the next to see 2 goof ball magicians named Penn & Teller. After seeing their act I knew they would end up being famous, they were hilarious.

But the erotic strip show was very tastefully done. Just thought I would share.

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One point that hasn't been discussed is your brand.

What is your brand image and does blue entertainment enhance or harm your brand? If you desire to entertain corporate clients, you certainly wouldn't want to be know as the guy that pulled the bra off a guest.

Hudson
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For a newbie, what is "blue entertainment"?
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That's a term that refers to crude or crass humor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-color_humor
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I thought blue entertainment was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOLBn8GKBlA
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Here's an example from the news today about why erotic magic might be a bad idea. And I think many of us here probably know Voronin, and what a wonderful and kind magician he is, which makes this even more stark.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/12......-consent
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Ouch. Yea that is sort of what I was getting at about "consent" and such. I am speechless.
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Not to disparage the United States but Europeans can still take a joke. The times however they are a changing. #Sad
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