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Yves Tourigny Veteran user Somewhere in Quebec 323 Posts |
Wesley,
I know you have a passion for the pass and have used it under fire countless times. There is trend which is getting more and more fans to developped a burnable pass that is a pass that cannot be seen when you are doing it with hands apparently at rest on the deck. Erdnase did wrtite that that kind of pass "has yet to be invented". What d o you think of this kind of pass? Yves |
Wesley James V.I.P. Hazlet, New Jersey 372 Posts |
Yves,
As you no doubt know, I wrote about this subject at length in Enchantments. I would direct those who want to understand my thinking to those writings. To address your specific question, however, I would add that what Erdnase said was directed to the use of the Pass/Shift under card table conditions in the normal actions associated with card table procedures. Even those conditions wouldn't require, or permit, one holding the hands still for any sustained period, despite nothing untoward being seen as one did so. Erdnase does not say that the Pass can't be done under the conditions that prevail in a magical context--he suggests to the contrary. I have used various forms of the Pass in my work for many years and consider it a powerful tool in my arsenal. I believe I have attained the ability to perform Passes that are not only invisible but indetectable as well. That said, but recognizing that some consider a "burnable" Pass a rite of passage, I have no idea if any of my Passes are "burnable." I never considered it a desiderata. Those who are persuaded of the utility of such style of performance are welcome to reach their own conclusions about my Passes. Wesley James |
Yves Tourigny Veteran user Somewhere in Quebec 323 Posts |
Thanks Wesley for your answer, I myself found that passes are very context sensitive so in each trick I do the pass I create the context in which the particular variations I used is well hidden. On the opposite when you jazz with the cards, the pass is a very powerfull technique to use because it frees you to organize the other elements of the effect without having to stress about the control.
Yves |
Wesley James V.I.P. Hazlet, New Jersey 372 Posts |
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On 2004-04-16 17:07, Yves Tourigny wrote: I wrote much the same thing in Enchantments. Conversely, when the context is dictated by the construction of the effect/routine, the type of Pass can be chosen on a best fit basis. Quote:
I don't "jazz" with the cards in front of audiences nearly enough for that to be a consideration but I have a large enough arsenal of Controls that the Pass--a less than efficient Control--would rarely be an issue. Wesley James |
RandyWakeman V.I.P. Plainfield, ILLINOIS 1617 Posts |
Isn't a clear that any pass employed as a color change is designed to be burnable from the start?
That said, what would be the purpose of directing attention to the deck to observe 'nothing'? |
Euan Inner circle 1041 Posts |
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Tony Noice Veteran user 342 Posts |
Randy,
Great post about the pass as a color change! It's amazing how many on this site refuse to believe that sometimes you have to focus attention on the deck or there is no effect at all. |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Some of us DO use the pass as a color change.
There is an online video of a guy using the pass with a FACE UP DECK and bringing the card to the face of the deck. Now what makes this more than just unusual is that you can clearly see that the spectators DO NOT NOTICE the card appear on the face of the deck until the magician uses words to bring this to their attention. You might want to consider that peripheral vision is quite sensitive to sudden motion. Perhaps some folks want to use the phenomenon of 'motion induced blindness' to make the deck seem to vanish using several passes in a row?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Simon Lovell V.I.P. 506 Posts |
There are very few people on the planet who do a truly burnable pass. My great friend and sadly missed Derek Dingle could do it totally under fire. Wesley james is another as is Randy. Underground, soon to be legend, Geoff Latta is unbelievable with it as are a few others you'll never have heard of like Roger Monaco. I am delighted that Wesley has commented nicely (perhaps all too kindly) on my own Slo-Mo Pass.
Can it be done -- yes ... but it takes a great deal of time and work in order to be able to do so. It's not just about learning a pass - it's more about taking the moves and making them fit your own hands as everybodies hands are different. What works for one may need considerable adjustment to work for another! Just my two cents worth, Simon |
John McDonald Regular user Manchester, England, UK 171 Posts |
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There is an online video of a guy using the pass with a FACE UP DECK and bringing the card to the face of the deck. Now what makes this more than just unusual is that you can clearly see that the spectators DO NOT NOTICE the card appear on the face of the deck until the magician uses words to bring this to their attention. I believe that is Peter Duffie's Riffle pass with face up card. Can be seen at http://www.conjuring.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/video1.htm
Best wishes John
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2004-04-18 06:26, John McDonald wrote: Unless it's trick photography, peter's pass is too goof to be true.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
That video is good. There is another on doing the pass where a guy is doing the thing for people in the street. Even better.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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