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On Jan 15, 2018, pegasus wrote:
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On Jan 15, 2018, jbadman wrote:
I don't get this to be honest - it's not as strong as OOTW. Not even close... so what's the point?


In your opinion. Thereís plenty who think different, so whatís your point?


Well no, not just in my opinion. Please just take the time to compare the two - what does this have that's BETTER in terms of impact? I can't think of anything to be honest.
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On Jan 15, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
Ootw is one of the easiest non sleight effects in history and a classic and very easy so I disagree you need any chops for Paul Curryís version . Regards Tarik 🙂


I thought so too, until pegasus and others said their audiences find it boring. No moves to mess up, and I know from my own audiences that it's not inherently boring, so the only explanation I can think of is weak presentation. I think the original is superior, but I understand the need to speed it up and eliminate the suspense if you're one of those people who can't hold an audience's attention and interest for a few minutes.
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OOTW is not always suited to my performing situations. It is long windded and thereís no getting away from the fact. Itís particularly not suited to noisy Ďbarí environments where a table isnít always freely available. So this is a great effect to perform in those conditions.
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PROs:
- The idea and concept are awesome and easy and, if it were not for the flaws and inadequate support I would have given it 5*
CONs:
- it is supposed to come with a Joker to "protect" the special deck but there was none in mine
- there is a link to the video-instruction but there is no forum available on My PenguinMagic to discuss the effect with other purchasers / pose questions
- support at Penguin Magic was unable to answer my questions as they had sold out of the deck with the pre-order and did not have anyone on staff who was familiar with the effect who could answer my question or support a $40 product
- it is possible that my deck is defective because the special treatment needed to create the effect seemed inconsistent (but they couldn't say because, again, there was nobody at Penguin who was familiar with it and they are not expecting to restock till sometime in February)
- I took a chance and corresponded by email with Gregory Wilson (to his magician's email address) to see if he could help me understand somethings that were not explained on the video-instructions but got no response.

Overall, very frustrated and disappointed
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OOTW is not always suited to my performing situations. It is long windded and thereís no getting away from the fact. Itís particularly not suited to noisy Ďbarí environments where a table isnít always freely available. So this is a great effect to perform in those conditions.


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On Jan 17, 2018, pegasus wrote:
OOTW is not always suited to my performing situations. It is long windded and thereís no getting away from the fact. Itís particularly not suited to noisy Ďbarí environments where a table isnít always freely available. So this is a great effect to perform in those conditions.


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Great quote. We have a David Brent amongst us.
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Just received.... it is actually what I tought when I watched the demo.
It is easy to do and some handlings are presented on the video even if I actually think the Vallarino s original routine is the best.
The only downgrade is that the deck can easily loose what makes it work so has to be retreated in a while.
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Slightly late to the party on this one, but I like it a lot. There's been quite a bit of debate about this v. OOTW. To my mind they are really different effects. Where Offworld wins for me is its versatility in terms of performance spaces. I love OOTW but it really suits a seated at a table context which isn't the way I normally work (though I'd love to!). I think this is one of those very clever sideways steps on an effect which works really well. Full review here: http://www.bicycle-cards.co.uk/2018/05/0......-review/
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Just got this and do like it. Been getting a good reaction. Very clever with a few variations. Though what did manufacturer do with all those Bicycle jokers that were left out Smile
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Offworld Ė Jean Pierre Vallarino

Product description : Out of this world is a very famous plot in magic, with many variations around on the market but Jean Pierre Vallarino has now released his version of it. In this one, whatís very cool is that people can see the result of what they predict directly. Basically, you show a deck face up and you ask people what do they think is the color of the next card. They answer and you prove that theyíre right ! You can do this as many times as you want and they will always be correct ! Youíll have several routines included in the explanations. But is it worth your hard earned money ? Letís find out together.

Price and where to buy it : This is sold at $39.95 and you can find it in nearly every Murphy's magic partner !

What you get : The packaging you receive is very good, a red cardboard box with gold metallic ink on it, it doesnít do much to the trick but itís always good to have a nice packaging. Inside, youíll find a link for an online video, and it is very good because it has live performances, several routines included and the best of the best: Greg Wilson is teaching the routine so it couldnít be better ! I really liked the video. You also get a gimmicked deck which is not setup but takes minutes to setup (you can also modify it a bit before setting it up so it will make the reset easier if you mess up the cards but itís not mandatory). Once setup, the deck is very easy to use and allows you to perform multiple routines but my favorite one is the first one taught by Greg. Itís complete and very interesting in the way itís made. Overall, for the price, Iím quite happy, I like this way more than I thought I would be.

Teaser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euAlgbLQn-U

The pros and the cons : Here is the core of my review, let's begin with the cons, as I will usually be doing, I prefer to keep the good things for the end.

THE CONS :
● This is a fully gimmicked deck, so you wonít be able to use it for anything else than an out of this world type routine. This is important because itís another gimmicked deck to carry around.
● Since the deck is gimmicked, you wonít be able to hand it out, which is not the case with a OOTW routine with a regular deck.

THE PROS :
● What I like with this routine is that you get to show the outcome of their prediction directly after they call it, which is not an usual thing with OOTW routine. Usually, you have all the cards face down and you reveal the outcome at the end, here, you show it after they call it.
● The deck is very ingenious in the way itís gimmicked so it will allow you to do several things with it, Iím sure you will come up with your own ideas with it once you find the secret.
● The way the routines are structured allows you to be instantly reset for the next table. This is very interesting meaning you wonít have to do dirty work and itís a nice thing because you donít want to handle the deck too much in order to not screw up the stack.
● When you find out the secret, you will be able to create your gimmicked deck out of any back design you want so you can adapt it to the cards youíre using.

Overall rating : This is a very good Out of this World, I really like the gimmick and they way the routine were constructed, I just canít see myself carrying this special deck only for this effect, 3/4 hearts.

As for the difficulty level, if you can push a card on a deck, you can do this, 1/5 stars.

Similar products : There are many Out of this World routines out there, I pretty much like the basic routine with a regular deck created by Paul Curry.

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If you can spray your own deck, you can get much better results than the ones supplied by the manufacturer. On the instruction video, outs are presented for the mistakes that can happen with the supplied decks. Follow the instructions provided about how to renew your deck and just make a new one. Also, pull the cards sideways instead of top to bottom. Physics makes it work much easier. Dave The Wave
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I forgot to mention that this effect gets boring in less than 30 seconds which is why there is a really good closing play.
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New opinion from Ondrej Psenicka -
"Off World is one of the effects where the principle is so great and simple that I wish I came up with it myself. Hats off to Jean Pierre Vallarino."
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