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I will add that Matt Mello's presentation, using it as a prediction, makes more sense to me with this method. That will be as reliable as you want it to be...
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Yeah, I think this method leads me to think that it might be worth experimenting with for a Tervil like routine...
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On Dec 15, 2017, Last Laugh wrote:
I will add that Matt Mello's presentation, using it as a prediction, makes more sense to me with this method. That will be as reliable as you want it to be...


Well, I'm not sure. I mean, for me, the relatively poor quality of the impression -I can't even see it in the explanation video- makes this matt mello's prediction trick not safe to use. It's obvious that the prediction message is written more clearly that the actual prediction. And I won't even try to let the spectator write down the final word as suggested as an alternative ending : writings mismatch will probably be a serious issue to deal with
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I think if you try it your self that it is definitely reliable. This method is not designed to replace but instead designed to be performed anywhere. Imp devices are great I use Psypher all the time but I know that most people don't carry an impression device with them all of the time. This impression is clear, the method is practical and there are tons of extra useful ideas in the video.

IAIN- it's great for Tervil.
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What bothers me is magicians like Mark C. that overhype products. Aren’t we are all brothers trying to make this art form grow?
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Aren’t we are all brothers trying to make this art form grow?


No.
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On Dec 15, 2017, Last Laugh wrote:
I will add that Matt Mello's presentation, using it as a prediction, makes more sense to me with this method. That will be as reliable as you want it to be...


Well, I'm not sure. I mean, for me, the relatively poor quality of the impression -I can't even see it in the explanation video- makes this matt mello's prediction trick not safe to use. It's obvious that the prediction message is written more clearly that the actual prediction. And I won't even try to let the spectator write down the final word as suggested as an alternative ending : writings mismatch will probably be a serious issue to deal with


The reason I mention this is because if you are writing, you can control the amount of pressure. You can press really hard if you want.

Having used John Riggs type devices for years, I have learned that different spectators write at different pressures - and many people are aware that if they press hard it could leave an impression on the next page, and they will sometimes intentionally write lightly as a result. If a device doesn't deliver a decent, reliable impression even at a relatively light pressure, I won't use it in performances. That's why I've switched to Paralabs and never looked back.

Perhaps it's the pens and paper I happen to have lying around, but I haven't actually found it to work all that well for me. I think probably there is a sweet spot with the right pens and the right paper, but I don't feel confident that this would work with any pen or pencil and any pad to the degree that I would want it to for a performance.

I get that the idea is that it is impromptu and I am sure this will work fine for some, but comments like Mark C's are definitely silly.
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I think if you try it your self that it is definitely reliable. This method is not designed to replace but instead designed to be performed anywhere. Imp devices are great I use Psypher all the time but I know that most people don't carry an impression device with them all of the time. This impression is clear, the method is practical and there are tons of extra useful ideas in the video.

IAIN- it's great for Tervil.


You are right, most people don't carry an IMP device around with them, and nor do I. However, this method has similar writing requirements as a center tear, and I have my own version of a center tear which is awesome! With my center tear (an most any good center tear), it is just as impromptu... actually, just a tiny bit more impromptu. Plus, I can do my impromptu routine with any single piece of paper, or even a single business card.

Having said that, I love that magicians are always trying to come up with a new mousetrap. Maybe one day I will use this method when someone insists that I repeat the effect, say, without tearing up the paper.

For that reason, while at first I was not sure I liked it, now I am coming around to appreciating this clever handling.

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Matt Mello’s handling is pure genius.
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BTW, a great way to get someone to write in a specific location of a piece of paper is to say: "I am going to attempt to hypnotize you without saying a word. In fact, you are going to hypnotize yourself. Do you think that is possible?" You tell them what you want them to do (draw something, write something, etc.), you say: "I want you to read what is written on this paper to yourself three times, and then draw the first thing that comes to mind", and where you don't want them to write, you write something like: "... I'm getting very sleepy ..."

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Aren’t we are all brothers trying to make this art form grow?


No.


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Just based on the core method, it's one of those old nuggets you would find in a book and immediately make a note somewhere to remember it. It's a great idea, and in my opinion, there is a lot of value just knowing this method for those times when it will give you more tools to work with.

Matt, Shaun, and Peter have essentially taken this old nugget and polished it up for modern use with some simple, but justified ideas to disguise the method.

My consensus is that for $15 and Matt Mello AND Peter Turner's name on it, it's a solid-priced, well thought utility you'll at the very least be happy you have available to you.

No complaints on this one.

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Also, this is cheaper than Clone.

Sorry, I had to say it--somebody's going to laugh. ;D

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On Dec 15, 2017, Last Laugh wrote:
I will add that Matt Mello's presentation, using it as a prediction, makes more sense to me with this method. That will be as reliable as you want it to be...


Well, I'm not sure. I mean, for me, the relatively poor quality of the impression -I can't even see it in the explanation video- makes this matt mello's prediction trick not safe to use. It's obvious that the prediction message is written more clearly that the actual prediction. And I won't even try to let the spectator write down the final word as suggested as an alternative ending : writings mismatch will probably be a serious issue to deal with


Can I take this to mean this would be better to use for DD instead of having spectator write a word? Or, does same quality apply to whether it's picture or word? Really on the fence with this one.
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Considering that the magic business is growing, ...


I'm curious how you know this.
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On Dec 15, 2017, Last Laugh wrote:
I will add that Matt Mello's presentation, using it as a prediction, makes more sense to me with this method. That will be as reliable as you want it to be...


Well, I'm not sure. I mean, for me, the relatively poor quality of the impression -I can't even see it in the explanation video- makes this matt mello's prediction trick not safe to use. It's obvious that the prediction message is written more clearly that the actual prediction. And I won't even try to let the spectator write down the final word as suggested as an alternative ending : writings mismatch will probably be a serious issue to deal with


There was a question on this very issue on the Penguin product owner's section by you. Look there, I provided a solution that addresses your concerns. There are no issues with performing the routine.

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"I had just spent $70 on an impression pad when Shaun showed me this idea. I threw it in the trash. This is how I get peoples' secret info now " -Mark Calabrese

I don't believe this for one second.
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Just bought it, will come back with a Review shortly


"Shortly" must be very subjective.
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This is a great tool to have in my mentalism utility belt. Not a replacement for a high quality ID like ParaPad or PN Wallet, nor was it intended to be. Different tools for different circumstances and applications.
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This is a great tool to have in my mentalism utility belt. Not a replacement for a high quality ID like ParaPad or PN Wallet, nor was it intended to be. Different tools for different circumstances and applications.

I think the quote used in the description shows that they absolutely did intend for people to think it would be a replacement for their impression pads.
Of course, most of us know better without having to buy it, but people who aren't yet well versed in these types of gimmicks are going to see that quote and drop their money in a heartbeat, thinking they found gold.

I don't think this is a bad method, but it's most definitely a last resort, and the advertisement is ridiculous.
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