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I was asked about my thoughts about Tricky Business over the past year of 2017. In the discussion, it was suggested that I post my review so here it is.

I have always said that TB is one of the most valuable threads on The Magic Café. Maybe not for hobbyists and enthusiasts, but for those that perform seriously, for income or profit, part-time or full, or are just beginning to take the steps into performing professionally, there is no other forum on TMC that can affect and impact your bottom line, that can help, educate and contribute to your business, revenue, and profits, while preventing setbacks and expenses that can also affect your bottom line.

It is not for those yet at the level of wanting to perform for pay or professionally, yet it is here, along with a great amount of archives, for those if and when they decide to enter into performing as a business or for profit. It is also still a very solid resource for current performers looking to expand and evolve their knowledge, enter into new areas, or add, incorporate or try new aspects to their business.

Very few (although there is one or two, lol) come into TB that are not performing for profit and operating as a performing business on some level. I have also regularly said and truly believe that nowhere is the separation of fact vs. opinion more crucial than here in TB because, as we have seen this year, adhering to poor or wrong advice can be costly both personally and professionally. People come here to assist, improve, evolve their business and become educated to ideas, insights and concepts new, not understood or unclear or to them. I just today listened to a podcast that has been promoted here where the guest clearly offers some blatantly incorrect information that could cost someone thousands to tens of thousands of dollars in loss each time they do this.

I am often put off and even offended when I hear members here say that TB doesn’t offer much great information these days. I have always contended there is a wealth of information here, it is just you may have to wade through the noise of a few detractors, which I too would love to see go away (but it has gotten better). I (and I’m sure you too) often hear others say TB is nothing but bickering, egos and not much else. I have always disagreed, and yes, I wish there were less agendas and personal opinions, and focus would be on the topics, not the people and egos, but I have ALWAYS maintained there is still a plethora of good, useful, valuable and beneficial information regularly in TB. This year was no exception. It is with this belief in mind that I approach this review feeling that just skimming TB you will find some great information on a variety of business topics. It is with this in mind I approached the year in review.

The year began with a thread about having New Year’s Resolutions, a thread about Building The Beginnings of a Career which was a great topic and thread, a continuation of the discussion of Is It Possible To Earn 6 Figures?, and some interesting offshoots on Branson, Mo and self-produced shows, several interesting topics on 2/4 Walling along the same lines of self-producing, a great thread on the business approach of partnering with other area businesses (one guy called it one of the top three posts he’s ever read here) which was one of the first threads where I told a very personal success story, and because of the recent coaching offer made last fall to Café members in an effort to help a struggling member, I also talked a bit deeper about coaching, which also was a theme than ran throughout the year with others often posting, inquiring or asking about such programs, possibilities and benefits.

A thread about Emails vs. Phone, vehicle signage for performers, how to sell booking add-ons vs. packages followed, as well as a thread I was really excited about that someone brought up that surprisingly never went anywhere about Selling On Emotion (I felt this had so much potential for many).

A member, Brainbu$ter popped in with a couple of topics including the Customer Trying To Haggle On Price which led to some interesting discussions in several directions on booking and business execution and strategies. The thread on Yelp was interesting and provided some good insight, and a short but good thread on Questions About Marketing followed.

Curt Waltermire’s thread on Should You Fake It ’Til You Make It? was quite interesting given this premise is popular with today’s Millennials and many “gurus” in the information age.

I started a thread on A Generational Shift that in spite of the flaming and baiting had some fantastic insight and contributions from many.

The mall market and using Malls As Lead Generators was a very informative thread addressing a topic many performers wonder about and remember from a generation ago as a decent potential market that has now changed as have other markets, showing us how staying up on progress and changes is important to our growth.

There were threads about Trade Shows and specific markets. Marketing & Promotion- What’s My Next Step was brought by Alexxander was something likely of interest to all here, and also some revisiting of methods, techniques and resources from the past including yellow pages, parents magazines and others (including malls) and can/do they still work for us?

The question/thread I posed Is Being A Magician Enough? generated some great insights from quite a few based on another personal story I shared with everyone here from being on the road on my Spring Tour. A great discussion of corporate work (Consumer Vs. Professional markets) was in the Lou Serrano thread about his Adventures in Calgary.

A great thread on Exposure had many involved, offering many insights and also went into many additional and beneficial directions as well. A review of Barry Friedman’s course from an affiliate and others was offered. This could have been more if we had heard from others too.

I won’t get into the thread we all likely remember about puffery, trying to pass others information off as your own, affiliates offering program support, continued personal agendas, a thread about Marketing Mentlaism, and a multi-page thread about Is it Flaming, Ignorance Or Simply The Way Of A Younger Online Generation? Also the Breakthroughs thread was quite interesting although, again more experiences and others stories could have been perhaps beneficial to others here too.

And a great attempt and insight from Walter Davis regarding providing context to Threads and Posts in Tricky Business, corporate business approaches, Consumer and Professional (B2B) Markets, When To Turn Down A Gig, Decomposed’s adventures in not getting paid and understanding Professional Markets and their operations, which also carried over into several other Professional Vs. Consumer Market threads and topics, Lexicon and Language, A Bankers Guide To Banking On Exposure, Sales & Marketing, Qualifying Your Prospects, Social Media For Professional (b2b) Entertainers, Identifying Your Business Problem was featured in the A Little Guidance thread, the FLP Framework And Marketing, Market Research, and Using Fiverr were all included threads.

Next, an extensive thread about Coaching from Cafécheckers was the longest and most in-depth thread of the year with some opposing views but tons of information for those who stayed with it. I think because of some of the resistance he received it too fell short of some of the future and ongoing benefits it could have provided members here.

Some insight on the fair market was presented, as were a few who posted photos, video and websites for thoughts, insight, direction and feedback form forum members. Posts like these showed that there are indeed different levels of performers, market experience and the tools and resources needed to succeed in these areas.

A (perhaps misplaced) thread about Tactical Trick Sheets that quickly evolved into being about the Conjuring Community got a few people hot, yet for me resulted in several great PM exchanges resulting in clarity, better understanding of both Tricky Business (TB) and the CC.

Danny had several great posts, especially the thread he started in Failures which again, I felt could have been so beneficial and had hoped for more participation and sharing from others here.

Thank You Letters & Testimonials was a great business topic with several opposing views, as was Social Media, CRM options, Customer Data Management, Chatbot, A Restaurant Tracking System by eatommagic, Bookkeeping Software and more tech issues.

The journey of cbguy from his Getting A T.V. Spot (and his daughter’s news feature), to his choice of accepting advice and approach pursuing the fair market (btw, how did it go?) and the November and December industry events (how did they work out for you?)

We saw year two of David Divinci’s Magic Master Summit. It was interesting and telling which topics and guests were most of interest and valuable to TB members here. Many found it quite valuable, some perhaps to a lesser degree, yet it showed several things regarding us all being at different levels and topics of interest, and more proof of the thing I often say of “be careful to who you choose to listen to.” David did a great job in the production, look, sound, feel and promotion of the event which showed excellent growth over just the previous year. This will likely remain an annual event for the business and performance community.

There you have it. So while Café membership and overall participation is way down, TB still is and has been quite beneficial. Again, some very good and valuable information here. Hopefully there will be less nonsense to wade through and tolerate with some of what is forthcoming in the upcoming year. But I am sure TB is still quite valuable to the education and business interests of those here and it will continue to be full of great insights, business knowledge and education that many here can benefit from for years to come that can be a part of each performers success.

So what were your greatest takeaways, threads and topics of 2017???

Happy New Year - cheers to a great 2018!
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Mindpro-,

Just skimming because of time, I love this post.

I'm sure to read it more than once again.

Thanks for taking the time to summarize some of the more interesting threads to re-explore.

-Mary Mowder
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Great post and topic! Wow, it seems impressive to consider the many topics we covered. My brother's topic on Coaching was interesting in that it was great conversation that revealed various opinions on what help, if any people believe is most helpful. I tend to like threads that take on a life of their own, and I enjoyed cbguy sharing his personal opportunities. Having been at arms length on my brothers own coaching journey added to my interest. Hopefully he too will provide an update on that topic.

Mindpro’s review illustrates to me how much could be accomplished if we work towards posting with true intent. There are so many areas to explore, as we all have differing ambitions and business models. Although certain threads are outside of my interests or capability, it’s always fascinating to hear opinions from different perspectives and to observe how our skill sets complement each other.

I have used the same techniques that I acquired here to post on sites for medical students. Interestingly, I have found similar results in that there are those willing to share, and one can develop very exciting personal relationships outside of the online community if they are willing to engage.

I'm interested to learn how others have used Tricky Business in 2017. What advice did you take? What worked and did not work? What could you have done better?
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Thanks for the comments. I think reviews such as this also create a perspective and allows us to take a step back to see the overall picture and reality.

Just like the year-end reviews of those that have died this past year. This week between Christmas and New Years is often dedicated to these type of year-in-review tributes and I personally always find them impactive to get a true synopsis of the year. I lost many long-time personal friends this year including Adam West, Don Rickles (both who I consider two of my mentors), Glen Campbell, Tom Petty, Fats Domino, and David Cassidy and Mary Tyler Moore who appeared on one of my Oprah show appearances with me. And also a neighbor that I would occasionally see at a local breakfast restaurant, Jerry Lewis. While I went through the loss of each of these individually, seeing such year-end reviews and tributes really creates a true perspective.

The same here for TB. It really allows us to see who the contributors are that impact us and our businesses, the topics and content that have directly affected and impacted our businesses, what we have each learned or gained, and the wide variety of topics covered here throughout the year.
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Nice review of the year. I don't post here often, but read most of what is posted and do get value from the posts.

Thanks to everyone for their input over the year.

Hudson
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At the moment, I can't think of a particular TB post that stuck out in my mind, but I have to say I refer back to TB time and time again.

In fact, I look at the entire TMC site as one of the greatest magic resources out there today.

While I have nothing to support this next statement, I'm sure many magicians learned enough here to make some form of a living with magic.

I hope everyone has a great 2018!

Gerry
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Hi MindPro, You asked "How did it go" with moving into the fair market. Here's the answer...

To start with, I was told that Danny was talking bad about me to another performer and his wife, at a convention, which I believe was Arizona. Of course, I could be wrong. Anyway, I was told that he said something to the effect that I would fail miserably entering the fair market. "IF" he truly said that, I am honored because I didn't realize that I was so important to have people talking crap about me behind my back and hoping to see me fail. Again, "IF" that's true, it says a lot about his character.

Anyway, on my journey of moving into the fair market, I asked a lot of people for guidance and help and at the end of the day, the BIGGEST help came from Dean Hankey. I purchased a few of his offerings and we video chatted at least four times leading up to the first convention which was R.M.A.F. That convention took place the first week of November. I paid for everything (hotel, booth, etc) However, I never attended it because on October 30 we found my mother in law on the bathroom floor. She had passed away. I did CPR until the Paramedics arrived, but that didn't do a bit of good, she was gone. R.M.A.F. was just a few days after that and I wasn't about to leave my family at this time. I figured, I still had I.A.F.E. coming up, so I'd do what I could, there.

So, we had a Celebration of Life service for my mother in law that Friday...Two days later (Sunday) my father in law decided to take his own life...When it rains, it pours. Total devastation. Nothing would ever be the same. All of this happened in the span of 6 days. Just two weeks after these tragedies was the I.A.F.E. convention. Now, I had to leave my wife and daughter at home and get out to Las Vegas to make things happen. While I was out there, I began to re-think what matters, what I really need to be focused on and whats most important to me...

I did the things that Dean told me to do, and like magic, "it worked". All but 2 seats were filled during my showcase, but there were also about 10 or 15 people standing up around the stage area. I did one quick routine and had them rolling in the aisles. Got a big round of applause and left the stage. Immediately following the showcase, I was approached by a gentleman who travels around the country selling boats at Boat Shows (just like car shows) in large convention centers. After a few minutes of chatting I closed a deal to work for his company performing and drawing people into their trade show booth at the boat shows. This starts in the middle of January in New York.

Next, I started a conversation with some fair buyers from Ohio during a round table, which resulted in getting a two year contract for their fair which runs for 9 days in August. I also picked up a few smaller fairs and oddly enough one festival, which resulted in 26 days of fair work. PLUS, a TON of dates for the Boat Shows. I priced myself on the higher end of the spectrum and had no problems closing the deals. This mixed with all of the other Renaissance Festivals that I always re-book year-after-year, I have a very full schedule ahead of me.

When I got back home, I was still trying to figure out a lot of things. I finally made the decision that I am done traveling and being away from my family. So, I will fulfill all of my contracted obligations for 2018, but after that, I'm done. I will be keeping the big Renaissance Festival in Texas because my son and his wife live out there and it allows me time to hang out with them. I will keep the Renaissance Festival near home, because it's "near home" and my youngest daughter is a contracted musician there, as well. I love performing with her. and I will finish up the second year of the contract for Ohio. Going forward into 2019, I will only take out of town shows during times that my family can travel with me. Since my daughter performs now, at some of the same places as I do, that'll be nice. However, she is also a member of the Kansas City Youth Symphony so, her traveling availability is limited, too.

I will go back to my early days of performing mostly for children and a few untouched markets that I know can keep me busy and when I crunched the numbers, I will be fine financially.

I guess all in all, the year was good until the end of October, then it took a plunge personally, but financially from a performing standpoint, it couldn't have been much better.

I have made a few friends here on the Café who are friends in real life now: Mike Moretti, Robert Smith and Tom Boleware. These are guys I really appreciate and we talk on a regular basis, share things and are just good friends.
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That's nice to hear about Dean Hankey. He's been around here for for almost 16 years pointing people in the right direction. He's been very generous with his time for me, as well.

What I like best about his knowledge base is that it includes (among the many markets and the many different approaches to them) advice from the trenches. He has walked the walk of magicians and other disciplines, and his advice is always from experience in our field. He also has a vast amount of resources that includes so many of the pros in our field, and their business advice.

I'm sorry about your personal stuff, but glad to see they led you to making decisions that are best for you and your family. Being able to perform in ways that make you tick, AND provide for your family is about as good as life gets. Bravo for taking the steps that followed the advice.
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Cbguy, so sorry to hear of your losses and the trying times that I'm sure have followed. I hope you and your family can remain strong and somehow find a way through all of this.

You are right, life comes first. And life has a way of making us re-examine what is important to us and our priorities. One of the good things about what we do as performers and business owners is it is often times easier for us to be able to make the needed changes and adapt to these changes, needs, and redefined interests.

Glad to hear things went well for you at the industry events. Unfortunately at such events industry gossip and smack-talk is a regular occurrence and things easily get misrepresented and taken out of context. While I'm not sure what your friend claims Danny said, I am quite certain it may have been taken out of context, as I had several exchanges about you and the path you were taking and he was nothing but concerned and offering real-world, helpful advice rather than sitting by and watching you receive poor advice and being set-up for failure. I'm surprised you would think what the person said was true as I figured you heard such support from Danny direct, but I could be wrong?

But you do bring up a situation that is more common than many think, yet is rarely talked about, and that is when as performers we imagine something, want something, have our mind and sights set on something and work hard to make it happen, yet when we get there you quickly realize it is not for you, may not be what you think it is or simply isn't as appealing or enjoyable as it appeared from the outside.

I hear this a lot from those I work with and have had the same experience myself. After years of working the school and college market nationwide, I would always do corporate work (both consumer and professional) when it came in. At one point I had more and more people in my ear about how I was perfectly suited for the corporate world. My performances, as well as my speaking topics and approaches, were both very well received in the corporate arenas. I pursued corporate work a bit more, mostly to keep my name out there and to continue to serve the many companies that were current or previous longtime clients.

Then after a corporate event (back in the days when my adult daughter was my onstage assistant), my daughter said to me that I just didn't seem as "into it" or "seem to enjoy it as much" as when I was working the school market. The corporate world allowed me to work with appreciative adults on an adult level, rather than students and all of the politics and policies of the school market. Her words really got me thinking about this. Then she said "I think you have more fun and enjoy yourself and are more fulfilled working with schools" You know what, she was right. I much preferred the performance dynamics of the schools being in theaters, stages, and auditoriums, theater than in meeting rooms or grand ballrooms of a cold hotel or conference center. While student audiences have many more challenges than corporate, I had much more control and positioning more favorable to my personal preferences.

From that point on I stopped most of my outward corporate marketing and participation in corporate industry events. I still do maybe 25 or 30 dates a year, still have many corporate clients that I am still happy to work with, and my companies still book other acts and artists in the corporate market, but for me personally, it was a revelation that I realized that better defined my own personal path and preferences.

The same happened with me in the cruise ship industry. While I loved working resorts for many years, I was approached saying "you could be the ultimate cruise ship performer" because of having several different shows and unique presentations. I just didn't care for many of the dynamics of the cruise industry. While similar to the resort market in some ways, it was really a different thing on many levels. Yes, there is the prestige and decent pay of the cruise industry many perceive, but it just wasn't for me.

Sometimes we have to do what is best for us, our families and our own personal preferences and situations rather than what is perceived to be a status or perception of the community or industry. While the industry usually has the proper perspective, it is up to us to find our own comfortable place in the industry. I have students that were doctors and lawyers that are now kids performers and loving every minute of it, even though they are starting anew at 50 or 60 something years old.
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Yes, Dean Hankey is the real deal for sure. I like to refer people to him because I know he can help. I’ve watched him help others for 20+ years now and there is no question in my mind that he has helped more magicians/performers than anyone on the internet. Dean is a very caring person that will bend over backwards to help others.

I agree that it was good of Mindpro to review a few of the threads from 2017. It's always good to look back on the past.

The Café has helped many in ways that you will never hear about. Most people come here looking for opinions; they want to see what others think. Many times it is just an assurance that an idea they have may be a good one and may be worth trying. Rarely are they (they as in most) looking for a guaranteed system or cold hard facts. People like to make up their own mind by listening and weighing the different opinions out there. Sometimes opinions can be just as good and true as facts. Facts and opinions need not be positioned in opposition to each other, as they have complementary functions in our decision-making. In a rational framework, they are equally useful. But that’s just my opinion – it may or may not be a fact. Smile

Happy New Year Everybody.

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Hi MindPro, You asked "How did it go" with moving into the fair market. Here's the answer...

To start with, I was told that Danny was talking bad about me to another performer and his wife, at a convention, which I believe was Arizona. Of course, I could be wrong. Anyway, I was told that he said something to the effect that I would fail miserably entering the fair market. "IF" he truly said that, I am honored because I didn't realize that I was so important to have people talking crap about me behind my back and hoping to see me fail. Again, "IF" that's true, it says a lot about his character.


Funny how you want to believe rumors, then talk about character, then do this LOL.

BUT that being said what I remember talking about is how the barriers to entry into the market, most markets, are stacked against the new talent. The time it takes to build relationships and all that goes with it in order to actually have a presence in that market means most new talent has their backs up against the wall and usually fails. (Just look at the statistics and tell me I am wrong.) I did talk with Robert about you and the posts here, but only in context of this board and we sort of laughed at it.

But you can cry about the nonsense out of context bs all you care to. It says a lot about your character as I said.

BUT turning your pointless attack in to a positive point on the thread an attempting not to let it degenerate you then go on to point out ANOTHER really serious barrier to entry. That is family. I say that NOT in any way bad. We all have obligations, and families in different stages of development with different needs. I have a very good friend of mine who has a child with special needs. (Robert knows her.) Life of performance is SO much different for her and so much more difficult. My wife and I are more able to travel for what we do.

Not often does this aspect of it get mentioned but it is the single most defining characteristic of how most run their business. It is important and not a shot at anyone. Only a recognition that it matters. Being there for your family and having the kids grow up with dad home is the single most important job in the history of the world! The decision to put that first is the most admirable quality in an adult human being I can imagine and I wish more had it. Cudos and I think everyone should take a moment to pause at the beginning of the new year and recognize this fact. (OK it is an opinion.)

When you have a family, then you want to change the circumstances in which you make a living it is a huge step. Not a step you can always see the downstream consequences when you take the first one. Sometimes you have to see the first few steps to see that it is simply not for you. For me this is all I have ever really done. There is no other way. That is right for me. Mike's way is right for him. Robert has his way, Keith his and everyone is right for their situation.

I congratulate Mike on finding his way. Not everyone does that and it causes most of the problems.

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I think you bring up a good point about barriers regarding markets. Just as we have discussed here that there are different levels of performers and performing experience, there are different levels of markets with regard to barriers of entry. I think this is one reason why so many start as kids magicians, as there is little to no barriers to entry. Heck, it is why many become a magician in the first place.

It is also why the higher paying markets aren't always for everyone, because of the barriers that are incurred may deflect or be unappealing to many.

Often the greater the market, the more barriers that exist and are incurred.
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What an exciting year 2017 has been. I am getting ready for my final show of the year and it is interesting to reflect on the year. I am finding that the more I know, the more I realize how much there is to learn. I made a transition in my show and business this year and worked with Mindpro as a coach. Things are progressing nicely and I will try to share an update in the next couple weeks.

It is great when we have productive threads here and this one already has great pearls of wisdom regarding seeking advice, taking action, prioritization in life, taking time to reflect, business realities, and choosing wisely. We also see how there is things we have no control over and tragedies that impact our lives. We also see how we can support one another and show respect.
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Then after a corporate event (back in the days when my adult daughter was my onstage assistant), my daughter said to me that I just didn't seem as "into it" or "seem to enjoy it as much" as when I was working the school market. The corporate world allowed me to work with appreciative adults on an adult level, rather than students and all of the politics and policies of the school market. Her words really got me thinking about this. Then she said "I think you have more fun and enjoy yourself and are more fulfilled working with schools" You know what, she was right. I much preferred the performance dynamics of the schools being in theaters, stages, and auditoriums, theater than in meeting rooms or grand ballrooms of a cold hotel or conference center. While student audiences have many more challenges than corporate, I had much more control and positioning more favorable to my personal preferences.



This is something that really hits home with me. In today's world with so much information and many available resources, aspiring performers (or any other discipline) have the freedom to pursue many different markets and career paths. But for many, as I believe Mindpro's story indicates, one is much more suited to reach their full potential when it is an area of personal interest or enjoyment. I just went through a similar revelation in my "dayjob" of medical school not long ago. I entered my third year of medical school set on pursuing either adult emergency or general internal medicine. After all, adult medicine is generally a more lucrative career path, their medical problems tend to be more thought provoking, and I already had abundant experience treating adults as an EMT. However, after a few months in the hospital and some soul searching, I started to see the writing on the wall: my passion is caring for children. Undoubtedly this was heavily influenced by Charlie and Checkers, but I've come to believe our success in children's entertainment was itself due in part to having a soft spot for children. I plan on pursuing a residency in Pediatrics going forward, where I feel I will have the best chance for fulfillment and self growth.

Mindpro has expertise and experience in countless areas of performing, but I think it's evident that schools are one of his true passions. At the end of the day, and as cliche as it is, I'm a firm believer - you have to love what you do. I believe discussing this topic is so important with regards to success.

Cbguy - I'm so sorry to hear about your losses, wishing the best to you and your family.
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This is something that really hits home with me. In today's world with so much information and many available resources, aspiring performers (or any other discipline) have the freedom to pursue many different markets and career paths.


Mindpro has expertise and experience in countless areas of performing, but I think it's evident that schools are one of his true passions. At the end of the day, and as cliche, as it is, I'm a firm believer - you have to love what you do. I believe discussing this topic is so important with regards to success.



I think, as we have seen this past year even here in TB, there IS so much information available today. However, with that comes so much more incorrect, poor or blatantly bad information today, as now days virtually anyone can say anything about any topic and it be part of the online world to be presented and accepted as real truthful and fact.

In review much of my coaching and consulting files form this past year, this has been one of the topics that has taken up so much time and effort, the separation and understanding of real advice from poor advice, opinions, armchair perceptions and so on. Even many of the PMs I receive daily are often "in this book it says.... Do you believe this to be true?" or (from a post here "so and so says.... In your experience what do you think/do you find this too be true" and so on.

Anyone today can throw together a book, course, blog, podcast and so on (again as seen here over the past years). I personally feel we are on information overload. Everyone thinks their opinion matters and that their voice needs to be heard. It doesn't. It is very distracting and dangerous for those truly seeking knowledge, information and trying to learn. They have to wade through so much information to get to the real goods and information they are seeking.

It has also become a cookie-cutter pattern of offering guru type templates, consistent emails (no I do not believe anyone needs to hear from any guru, welcomed or not, on a daily basis (some even multiple times a day). The tech that was once cutting edge is being misused and abused by so many messing it up or not even using it properly, just because some book, course or guru proclaimed "just do it!" So don't wait until you have experience, have learned it, or have it down, just do it. Then others with even less knowledge and experience praise them for "at least their doing it!" It's crazy! It is all just so whack and truly a case of the blind, unknowing and truly uninformed leading the blind, unknowing and uninformed. Everyone is becoming a false-expert. It is poor information overload, And worse yet it has watered down the effect of those that truly were offering real information and that were originally usuing this technology as a credible source of delivery and education. I predict it will get even worse in the upcoming year.


I agree with the loving what you do. I have yet to meet anyone truly successful that doesn't love or really enjoy what they do. I think this is why the average American changes jobs/careers 7 times in their lives. They are seeking "that thing". I feel honored when I m able to help those find "their thing." Also, there is nothing wrong with doing a reset, realignment or reorganization. To me, that is part of the education, evolution and progressive process.

It is also another way the performing side of what we do MUST align with the business side of what we do. It can be possible to love a certain performing preference and appeal, yet it not align with the interest, market or elements needed to make it a success as to your interests and visions. Another reason how one influences and directly impacts the other and why both should be worked on simultaneously.

Also, I feel there is a big difference in the final product and result when just doing something for the need or money vs. doing what you love and enjoy.

Happy New Year to everyone here!
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On Jan 1, 2018, Mindpro wrote:
I think, as we have seen this past year even here in TB, there IS so much information available today. However, with that comes so much more incorrect, poor or blatantly bad information today, as now days virtually anyone can say anything about any topic and it be part of the online world to be presented and accepted as real truthful and fact.


This is very true, and I think an important skill set in today’s world one needs to develop to reach success quickly is to know who to listen to. One advantage of participating here is that one can get a larger sample size of value, whether it be a discussion on a prop, or business advice.
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Understanding who to listen to and understanding you don't know what you don't know are two of the keys to success these days. The right person and advice can get you to where you are going more quickly and cost-effectively, conversely, listening to or accepting the wrong information or advice can be a setback and become quite costly. Like anything you must know where to invest your hard-earned money, time and efforts.

Yes, that is a great benefit and advantage here, as is the great archives available to anyone.
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Anyway, on my journey of moving into the fair market, I asked a lot of people for guidance and help and at the end of the day, the BIGGEST help came from Dean Hankey. I purchased a few of his offerings and we video chatted at least four times leading up to the first convention which was R.M.A.F. That convention took place the first week of November. I paid for everything (hotel, booth, etc) However, I never attended it because on October 30 we found my mother in law on the bathroom floor. She had passed away. I did CPR until the Paramedics arrived, but that didn't do a bit of good, she was gone. R.M.A.F. was just a few days after that and I wasn't about to leave my family at this time. I figured, I still had I.A.F.E. coming up, so I'd do what I could, there.

I did the things that Dean told me to do, and like magic, "it worked". All but 2 seats were filled during my showcase, but there were also about 10 or 15 people standing up around the stage area. I did one quick routine and had them rolling in the aisles. Got a big round of applause and left the stage. Immediately following the showcase, I was approached by a gentleman who travels around the country selling boats at Boat Shows (just like car shows) in large convention centers. After a few minutes of chatting I closed a deal to work for his company performing and drawing people into their trade show booth at the boat shows. This starts in the middle of January in New York.


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That's nice to hear about Dean Hankey. He's been around here for for almost 16 years pointing people in the right direction. He's been very generous with his time for me, as well.

What I like best about his knowledge base is that it includes (among the many markets and the many different approaches to them) advice from the trenches. He has walked the walk of magicians and other disciplines, and his advice is always from experience in our field. He also has a vast amount of resources that includes so many of the pros in our field, and their business advice.


DUDE... Wow, Thanks So Much For Your Comments Buddy! - Always An Epic Honor To Be Appreciated From "Been There, Done That" pros Such As Yourself. THANK YOU For You Gracious Words!

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Yes, Dean Hankey is the real deal for sure. I like to refer people to him because I know he can help. I’ve watched him help others for 20+ years now and there is no question in my mind that he has helped more magicians/performers than anyone on the internet. Dean is a very caring person that will bend over backwards to help others.


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