The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The workers » » DPS (1 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page 1~2 [Next]
landmark
View Profile
Inner circle
within a triangle
4458 Posts

Profile of landmark
One back and forth squaring action with the left hand or two? Pros, cons?
"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet"--Abraham Lincoln

You can read my daily blog at Musings, Memories, and Magic
alicauchy
View Profile
Loyal user
Málaga, Spain
269 Posts

Profile of alicauchy
I prefer economy of movements, hence just one squaring action.
So much to do, so little time . . .
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5280 Posts

Profile of magicfish
One.
landmark
View Profile
Inner circle
within a triangle
4458 Posts

Profile of landmark
Thanks, that's helpful.
"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet"--Abraham Lincoln

You can read my daily blog at Musings, Memories, and Magic
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5280 Posts

Profile of magicfish
Anytime, Landmark. But don't take my word for it. Just see the Erdnase description and watch the Professor. The answer is there.
Rupert Pupkin
View Profile
Special user
676 Posts

Profile of Rupert Pupkin
Vernon does two actions (or the “double choke”) at :55 here: https://youtu.be/cZFhsxQc7rE
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5280 Posts

Profile of magicfish
In that particular clip I would say it is more like 1 1/2.
I think the more important point, is to leave the left hand suspended and motionless for a beat before going south. But definitely dig up footage of the Professor doing it in one motion. Compare and contrast.
I like 1 better than 1 1/2.
Rupert Pupkin
View Profile
Special user
676 Posts

Profile of Rupert Pupkin
It’s only 1 1/2 to us because we know a move happens. The external reality is two distinct squaring actions, though.

I think the more you can delay the move and/or break it up, the better. See Klause’s discussion of half-moves to explore this idea further.
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5280 Posts

Profile of magicfish
Https://youtu.be/izQi74zolu4

Landmark, here is my "single choke" attempt to quote Mr. Pumpkin.
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5280 Posts

Profile of magicfish
Quote:
On Jan 2, 2018, Rupert Pupkin wrote:
It’s only 1 1/2 to us because we know a move happens. The external reality is two distinct squaring actions, though.

I think the more you can delay the move and/or break it up, the better. See Klause’s discussion of half-moves to explore this idea further.
Klause's ingenious half move concept is something I constantly attempt to employ. But I don't think it applies to Vernon's execution of the move.
Rupert Pupkin
View Profile
Special user
676 Posts

Profile of Rupert Pupkin
I think it applies specifically the question of one or two squaring actions with the DPS.

Why don’t you think it applies to Vernon’s performance?
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5280 Posts

Profile of magicfish
Https://youtu.be/_e2N5QJQLSw
Here is a slightly different approach where I go straight to the table.
Also a "single choke".
I guess I feel these are more important distinctions than "1 or 2", but I'm just a student trying my best.
Hopefully I do it some justice and have shown why I enjoy The single motion in both clips. I'm aware I have a lot of work to do.
SimonCard
View Profile
Special user
574 Posts

Profile of SimonCard
Vernon came up with the two squaring actions to better position the pinky. I think it makes sense but it's not necessary.
magicfish, you can check Paul Chosse's detailed description of the squaring action. You flashed the card when it goes into your palm.
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5280 Posts

Profile of magicfish
Quote:
On Jan 2, 2018, SimonCard wrote:
Vernon came up with the two squaring actions to better position the pinky. I think it makes sense but it's not necessary.
magicfish, you can check Paul Chosse's detailed description of the squaring action. You flashed the card when it goes into your palm.

I have been studying Chosse's handling for many years, thankyou.
Keep in mind, the move must be executed while attention is directed where you want it.
SimonCard
View Profile
Special user
574 Posts

Profile of SimonCard
Still DPS should be invisible even though people are looking at your hands. Misdirection is another matter than technique.
Rupert Pupkin
View Profile
Special user
676 Posts

Profile of Rupert Pupkin
If you’ve just inserted a card and are squaring it into the deck, all attention should be on your hands.

That’s why delaying the move is key to its success.
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5280 Posts

Profile of magicfish
I disagree wholeheartedly.
There is no sleight that should be executed without misdirection. See Charlie Miller, John Carney, and yes, Paul Chosse etc.
I realize I am opening myself to criticism by posting these, but I'm not concerned. I am not an expert on the DPS. I am a lifelong student.
I will strive to improve.
But I will never buy in to the "it should be 100% burnable" nonsense. Not with Jennings TNT, not with a DL, not with a Pass, nothing. All sleight require context and direction.
Anyway. I vote for one action Landmark.
Happy New Year old friend.
P.s. I have discussed half moves with Klause's disciple, Mr. Ackerman.
It changed my magic life.
Required reading in my opinion.
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5280 Posts

Profile of magicfish
Quote:
On Jan 2, 2018, Rupert Pupkin wrote:
If you’ve just inserted a card and are squaring it into the deck, all attention should be on your hands.

That’s why delaying the move is key to its success.

I couldn't agree more.
magicfish
View Profile
Inner circle
5280 Posts

Profile of magicfish
Quote:
On Jan 2, 2018, SimonCard wrote:
Still DPS should be invisible even though people are looking at your hands. Misdirection is another matter than technique.

I couldn't disagree more.
You cannot separate technique from misdirection.
Rupert Pupkin
View Profile
Special user
676 Posts

Profile of Rupert Pupkin
Magicfish, why must perfect technique and perfect misdirection be mutually exclusive?
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The workers » » DPS (1 Likes)
 Go to page 1~2 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2018 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.41 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL