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Ricardo Delgado
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On Jun 16, 2018, Terrible Wizard wrote:
I'm beginning to think that there's an inherent weakness with the card to wallet effect - whether signed or unsigned a spec who thinks about it will probably hit upon the right methodology, at least in a general sense. If you are happy to just entertain, impress and even temporarily puzzle spectators then this is a great effect. But if you're aiming for the high ground of, 'leave them no possible solution' then this isn't the effect to do that. I would place card to wallet in the same category as linking rings and cups and balls.


Do you believe it's (at least theoretically) possible to overcome that by changing most of the trick's structure/presentation/procedures?

I mean, If a layman is presented solely with the starting situation and final situation of a trick, it is possible for them to hit the method (most of the time). In ACR, a creative spectator may even come up with methods pretty close to what we use as techniques. But don't you believe the time line is an important aspect of how the facts and magic are perceived by the spectators? And I don't think we are taking that into account. Or maybe not in the same way.

An off topic example:
Things floating, specifically in close-up magic. There are not many possibilities to that. And if we present a trick about how we make something float, maybe we will hit mostly 'C' in the "Terrible Wizard's Scale" (now an official scale for measuring spectator's comprehension). But what if the trick is not about objects flying, but about something else that is causing, among other things, an object to float. [Lame example alert]: maybe your niece is sleeping in the other room, and she is causing some sort of poltergeist effects. You, and the spect, hear a sound on the kitchen and there lies a broken cup;when you go back to the living room, there is a painting upside down; then you hear a chair falling behind of you; up to now all of the things had moved while you weren't looking, that may lay the ground to accept something strange is happening; when the ring that was on the center table takes off in front of you, the other senses and the brain are already dealing with the other strange things. The trick, then, is not about how the ring floated, but how your niece's childhood traumas are turning your house the stage of a horror movie. That's a completely different story.

I believe (but I personally don't see it happening nor have any ideas how to do it) that the same could be possible with a 'card to wallet'. I mean, I completely believe there are more capable and creative people than me to solve that one. And by making the effects part of something bigger, it's not only more difficult to dismiss it, but also, we will probably be closer to the levels 'e' and 'd', at least during the "performance".
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Interesting points, Ricardo. Maybe. Do you think that the weaknesses in the linking rings could likewise be overcome?
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Not sure.

But I'm tending to say that no. At least in the "classic" sense. Mainly because it's a very unusual prop to have and to make it fit in other situations.

But that isn't to say we can't apply the same principles to, let's say, key rings. If Icm not mistaken, Sankey has a linking key rings routine, which could more easily be applied in other situations and other plots.

By the way, if it's not already clear, my thoughts are heavily influenced by The Jerx Blog.
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Does signing a card really detract the effect or make it less powerful? thoughts?
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Lunatik:
Maybe. It leads to only one possible solution, I think, for CTW effects.
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There are very few card effects that require a signature. Most would work fine without the signature.

That being said, having a card signed rarely detracts from an effect. In addition, having a card signed can often add to an effect in terms of presentation, by play or leading the spectator down the garden path. In this way, maybe it is good to have cards signed in order to get more out of the effect from a presentation standpoint.
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I think you can get some fun out of having the card marked in some way which obviously adds to the entertainment point of view especially if you get the spectator to draw something on the card rather than just sign it.

Another interesting point that I heard during a lecture not so long ago was when this particular magician was leaving the venue most of the signed cards that he gave away as a souvenir were just left behind on the tables rather than being kept, I think this may possibly be down to the routine rather than the magician as I can remember bumping into someone I had performed for at TGI Fridays a few months earlier and they pulled out a card I had given them which I had drawn a stick man on to and they had added magic wand to the picture...obviously the card was also signed for the routine hence me mentioning it but the focus was on the stick man landing on their card rather than the signature.
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