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Mr. Bones
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I've got no problem introducing some "magic" moves into a gambling demo - as long as those moves remain completely invisible, and the correct routines are followed (burning a card, cutting the deck, etc).

I find nothing more off-putting than a magician masquerading as a gambling expert, when it's painfully obvious his knowledge of the game he portrays himself as an expert at is minimal, or completely unknown beyond that knowledge required to complete his trick.
Jamy Ian Swiss noted in one of his books that a magician who does a gambling demo had better learn the game they're demonstrating inside out, because if an spectator asks a question about the game, and you can't answer it - they'll disavow your entire demo ... and most likely you along with it.

Most folks in 2018 know Hold'Em well enough to know when they're being shown a phoney poker demo (for example).

Due to pokers over-exposure in the last 25 years, the "demo" game is almost ripe again to go back to some well thought out Bridge or Gin demos.

I have a Bridge demo that portends to demonstrate full deck memorization, second dealing, bottom dealing, centre dealing, and dealing thirds - and gives my partner and I a grand slam with a bid of seven-no-trump (the spec gets to shuffle and cut).
In reality I execute none of those moves, and indeed exercise no sleights whatsoever. However it leaves magicians in the know with their chins down, and the lay-public believing you're skilled beyond words.
... and I don't even need to put down my beer.

Now that's a demo.
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On May 15, 2018, Mr. Bones wrote:
I've got no problem introducing some "magic" moves into a gambling demo - as long as those moves remain completely invisible, and the correct routines are followed (burning a card, cutting the deck, etc).

I find nothing more off-putting than a magician masquerading as a gambling expert, when it's painfully obvious his knowledge of the game he portrays himself as an expert at is minimal, or completely unknown beyond that knowledge required to complete his trick.

So good to read that someone is on the same line as mine :p.
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On May 15, 2018, Mr. Bones wrote:

I have a Bridge demo that portends to demonstrate full deck memorization, second dealing, bottom dealing, centre dealing, and dealing thirds - and gives my partner and I a grand slam with a bid of seven-no-trump (the spec gets to shuffle and cut).
In reality I execute none of those moves, and indeed exercise no sleights whatsoever. However it leaves magicians in the know with their chins down, and the lay-public believing you're skilled beyond words.
... and I don't even need to put down my beer.

Now that's a demo.


Yup!. That's IS a REAL demo. I got excited just reading about it.

I wonder how many can do this using the "real work."
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AMcD,

Maybe you're just not being clear on what you define as "realistic."

When I hear "realistic" I envision you dealing your opponent QQ vs your AKs. They're likely to win the pot 53% (to your 46%) of the time. Now here comes a flop of all blanks, a blank on the turn and a K on the river. You win. (Yawn).

That's as "real" as it gets. Maybe stacking did it, maybe a bottom deal, maybe a peek and a deuce. Maybe just marked cards. Why cares? The point is, dealing yourself a royal flush is more interesting to 99% of the people on the planet, even if it bores you and me because it's so cliched and over the top.

Know your audience. I've performed for some pretty serious poker players (Ferguson and Helmuth to name a few). I can assure you, they didn't see 4 Aces and royal flush endings. They saw stuff like what I wrote up above. And they loved it. But to foist that type of highly accurate demo on regular people is crazy. They won't understand the significance and you'd be much better off with a demo they can relate to.

Jason
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To add to Jason's point if you do Royal Flush/4 Ace endings the audience of non serious poker players (A huge percentage of the population.) they assume you can do anything.

It is about an audience being left with what impression you want and if you can accomplish that. When magicians want to come to gambling places with flashy moves and no real world experience then sure it is something to call them on. But if they are only doing demos for people it isn't a big deal.

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