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Bob G
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Ah, that's interesting, Claudio. I first learned the overhand shuffle from CC 1. I need to look at it again now that I've mastered some of the techniques. I find RRTCM hard to read, partly because the diagrams are so small. But anyway, this business of whether to pull off packets with the right thumb, or to drop packets from the right hand, is really interesting to me. I've tried the latter, which I guess is the RRTCM method, and I found it really hard. But I didn't really give it a chance, so I need to look at RRTCM again more carefully.


So I have lots to play with now. One of the things I love about math, poetry, and magic is all the opportunities to play around and try different things. Of course, time is limited. Can't wait till I retire!


In the meantime, your idea (or Giobbi's, or...) of keeping the thumb as low as possible seems to really be helping with running the cards consistently. And As Kevin suggested, I've confirmed that the condition of the deck makes a big difference.


By the way, I haven't forgotten about that nice trick you sent me. I have quite a backlog of tricks that people have helped me with, but I'll get back to yours "in due course."
Gerald Deutsch
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The advice here is great by some
But why not just try wetting your thumb?
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On Mar 5, 2018, Gerald Deutsch wrote:
But why not just try wetting your thumb?


Because getting your bodily fluids all over cards that other people will be handling is, at best, tacky; at worst, it's disgusting.
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Has anyone thought it may be the cards sticking? If it is use some fanning powder to make them more smooth.
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Quality cards.
Learn to do it without looking at hands.
Learn to do it while talking casually to the spectator.
If you are counting while you run, or doing an in-jog, do the shuffle fast enough to appear casual. But not so fast that it looks like you're in some way controlling the cards. When I shuffle the cards in a card game, I don't do it as fast as I possibly can; you shouldn't shuffle too quickly during a trick, either.
Practice while watching tv, reading the paper, etc.
Bob G
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Thanks for the suggestions, Joe. I'm doing everything you suggested except for the "quality cards." (I just opened a couple of new decks so I now I have quality cards.) Your point about shuffling fast but not too fast is well-taken.


My specific difficulty is with running cards. To be sure I'm running, and not inadvertently pulling off two or three cards, I have to go quite slowly -- slowly enough that I think a spectator would notice. Hopefully the many suggestions people have made, plus additional practice, will bring me to an appropriate speed.
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On Mar 6, 2018, Bob G wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions, Joe. I'm doing everything you suggested except for the "quality cards." (I just opened a couple of new decks so I now I have quality cards.) Your point about shuffling fast but not too fast is well-taken.


My specific difficulty is with running cards. To be sure I'm running, and not inadvertently pulling off two or three cards, I have to go quite slowly -- slowly enough that I think a spectator would notice. Hopefully the many suggestions people have made, plus additional practice, will bring me to an appropriate speed.


For me, the secret to reliably running cards one at a time is to put your thumb on the lower half of the card to pull them off, and apply pressure with the thumb, peeling each one into the other hand. You get the feel with practice, and for me it's 100% reliable. It's all in the thumb placement and the pressure.
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Bob G
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Thanks, Dana. I just tried applying significant pressure at the bottom with my left thumb, as you suggested, and tried going fast. It worked really well. Not perfect, but nearly so. I'll practice this. (I was even able to avoid the clicking noise that Rachmaninoff warned about -- in fact, it sounded like I was just shuffling!)


Interesting how many different approaches people have suggested. I guess it depend on shape and size of hands, hair color, whether one likes wine, and if so, which color...
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Update: I just tried again with a different, older deck (both Bicycle). This time I had trouble using my thumb to pull down the cards; it felt like the cards were too slick for me to grasp them. (Weird that older cards were slicker. Maybe I haven't used this deck as much???)


So I applied hand cream to my fingertips and tried again, and it got a lot better. I'll keep practicing. Clearly I need to apply several of people's tips in combination. But the left-thumb-low-with-pressure-adjustment feels like a breakthrough.


Thanks so much to everyone for their help!


Bob
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