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MagieFraudster
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IBM insurance specifically excludes "hypnosis." The thread that says SAM insurance covers hypnosis is from 2009--while Specialty (who IBM uses) dropped hypnotists in 2011. Who still insures stage hypnotists besides N.A.M.E.? Does anyone have experience with a claim with NAME?
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I wonder why they don't cover hypnosis acts. Maybe there was a big lawsuit that prompted underwriters to make that decision.
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Unless I'm mistaken (which is a possibility) Specialty can cover hypnotists but you have to contact them directly to arrange it.
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Insurance is all about risk assessment. The fact that in most hyp acts there are sometimes a dozen or more spectators on stage suggests so much more risk of potential injuries including tripping, slip and falls, and other issues completely outside of the additional risk of they actual hypnosis gags. As you can imagine those add even more potential for injury compared to a standard "Magic Act". I believe Specialty stopped accepting hyp acts simply due to the number of claims and the risk exposure to them. It just wasn't worth it if they paid out more than they took in.
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On Apr 3, 2018, Ray Pierce wrote:
Insurance is all about risk assessment. The fact that in most hyp acts there are sometimes a dozen or more spectators on stage suggests so much more risk of potential injuries including tripping, slip and falls, and other issues completely outside of the additional risk of they actual hypnosis gags. As you can imagine those add even more potential for injury compared to a standard "Magic Act". I believe Specialty stopped accepting hyp acts simply due to the number of claims and the risk exposure to them. It just wasn't worth it if they paid out more than they took in.


Yes but no more so than any event or tea party where the public are walking around, maybe in hundreds.

If I have a small hall somewhere and put on a fair of some kind where the public walk around, then I will need insurance, of course, but it won't attract the type of over-reaction a hypnoses act will attract.

Why? (If it's not just the misplaced "Everyone is going to end up mentally damaged and sue" incorrect reaction to it?)
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If they're simply "walking around" I'm not responsible for them. As soon as they step onto the stage in my show... I am.
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On Apr 6, 2018, Ray Pierce wrote:
If they're simply "walking around" I'm not responsible for them. As soon as they step onto the stage in my show... I am.


Exactly. They are in your care and control. This is especially true of a hyp act.
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I agree with those advocating for performers insurance. There are any number of things that can happen which performers would be libel for in a show. Having insurance is just preparing for the worst while hoping for the best. A rule of life I live by. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't some of the magic fraternities offer some free insurance with membership? Seems well worth the investment to me.
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I'm not certain if it is free, but regardless there are some very good low cost options out there that are effective. And being prepared is just smart.
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The insurance offered for magicians is not the same as an actual Stage Hypnosis Insurance policy. Many magic insurance coverage specifically excludes hypnosis. Also, now many insurers are requiring Safety Certification before issuing an actual stage hypnosis policy.
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And being prepared is just smart.


Good reason for anyone who also does therapy to make a new friend if they ever get a lawyer as a client. Having one interested in hypno in general could be a huge asset if there is ever a problem. Plus, given that their job depends on their ability to persuade, they should have an interest anyway.

Definitely not a time to play up the "I can break your brain and make you into my mindless minion" thing, though.
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Lawyers are awful when it comes to persuading. And I would bet that you will find it almost impossible to find one that knows about hypnosis and liability. Simply because court cases against hypnotists are very rare. So 99.9% won't have a clue. And they would be personal injury lawyers. They aren't persuasive they generally only take on cases that are more or less certain to win. Which are usually dictated by insurance companies who cover them if things go wrong and they lose. They never take any risks.
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On May 29, 2018, mindpunisher wrote:
Lawyers are awful when it comes to persuading.


Usually, I've found those to know they're not good at more normal persuasion methods, so they're often willing to learn.
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Working with them for 7 years they are analytical only take cases on that are a dead cert. They only build "persuasive" cases from ones that can't really fail. They reject all the others. They wouldn't be covered by insurance otherwise for losses. In the UK its based upon no win no fee.

I have taught persuasion over the years to a lot of different types of clients. Ones who really take it on board are those that depend upon signing up high value clients. Recruitment agencies for example.
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