To be honest, Inpurchasee Just Imagine some time back, but never got to working on it. Been thinking about it lately, though. Think I may give it a shot.

This is the ad copy on Jay's web site.

"Jay created 'UNDENIABLE' (orginally called 'Just Imagine') to hit people's minds from three different psychological angles - with three unforgettable climaxes!"

He just revised that. The trailer is very misleading then. Still a very good effect though

That was not the ad copy

Must have seen this thread

His trailer/demo/whatever - is very misleading

I would hope ppl could get a refund when they realise that it is not at all how is described

If this is the remake then the trailer is very misleading and a shame. If it’s a remake, what are the advantages ?

Hmmmmmmm

Just Imagine that I would have known that this was a remake.

I have zero issues with remakes. But I 100% Sankey feel duped!!!!!
I bought this. I jumped on it.
My fault!

Love Sankey. But man this stinks.
Ughhhhhhhhhh!!!!

I need to refrain from getting all excited for something and not waiting.

Darn.

Can you not ask/demand a refund

For not saying it's a remake

And lying about the effect in the demo

I don't think a 'this is what the spec sees' is a legitimate way to get around sugar coating effects [in trailers] to sell them to magicians

I probably can and most likely will.
I’m going to wait and see if it’s mentioned In the instructions that this is indeed a re-make.

But yeah. I agree that this is totally not at all cool.
I should know better. But still wrong.

I jumped on this pretty quick as well, but after reading through this page and revisiting the effect that I first leaned off one of his DVD's, I shot him an email and asked for a refund. They responded quickly - within a day - and refunded my money without any issues. They explained the rationale for the re-release and that they are offering an updated DVD with new handlings...But, I had no problem getting refunded. I should note though, that I asked for the refund before they had a chance to ship it out.

ryan

Had Just imagine. Years ago.
I liked it. But sold it during a time of need. Yes, I needed the $10! Lol

I will go ahead and get it. I’m pretty sure it’s shipped.

I honestly have zero issues with updated products. I actually enjoy them. When it’s known up front.
I’m also a very laid back guy. Takes quite a lot to upset me.

In this case. I believe they learned something.
Jay has contributed so much to magic. Yes, he’s making a living selling products. But it’s still contributing.
Him, like many others, are trying to keep going.

Thanks for your update though.

It’s now sold out on his website.

I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be highly disappointed when they realize the method. The demo obviously doesn’t show it.

It’s a good effect. But I can just see people getting upset on this.

I would have been disappointed

(As I have no skills)

Because the method is both something I can't do, and something on purpose I don't want to learn to do... I know I'm thinking the wrong way.... but I really hate any routine with a DL...... never mind two

Mike at least this is a product you liked before.... I just hope there is extra value in the new DVD... if not at least you have bought your daughter a fun present

Personally, I don't mind a DL. Never been a problem. To the spectators, it's a single lift. (In their mind.)

You have to do 2 DL

So does that make it a QL in total?

And I'm still not convinced all Spec/laymen are so easily fooled

They may be polite - but before I got into any of this, I always saw a card going on top of the deck, and even a good DL, for what it was... I was 100% a layman then

You had the DL figured out when you were uninitiated in magic?

Yeah...

I don't think that's surprising [is it?]

I get shown the top card of the deck, it gets dealt face down - then changes by itself to another card...

I didn't have a clue that it was called a DL

I'm sure many people are polite - but you must get some ppl call you out [?] - as if you take a card out of an envelope, put it onto a deck, then give it to me/reveal it... yeah - I might not of know the term DL, but I would sure as heck know when and how the 'magic' just happened

Of course I'm more interested in the story/patter - if that's good, the magic will fly by me as I enjoyed the journey so I won't say anything [even if I was an asshat]... or if the story/patter is very bad, I will just say well done and try to move on ASAP

Your most likely to get ppl telling you if your presentation is mediocre

Then the question is, of course, how do we make the DL more effective? How do we TRULY fool with it?

DLs are overused in magic, and I do have to wonder how many times laymen can indeed figure out what is going on, but are just being polite by not saying anything.

Work on your technique