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Sheets has a nice holdout that makes it easy to introduce a second pea into the game. It’s made out of a stack of chips like the ones he uses in his routine.
It always surprises me when I see how many people actually react to the game. I don’t know of anything easier to draw a crowd.
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The poker chips that Bob Sheets hands out to the spec's to bet with actually sit right on top of the "Sheets Stack" pea holdout, making the holdout completely invisible to the spectators ... even though it's right under their nose.

The fact that you're handing out poker chips to the spectators, and then taking them back again when the spectator makes a wrong choice means your hands are always moving to and from the "Stack" of chips, and then moving those chips slightly out of the way, or closer to the next player who's betting isn't even noticed.
There's no better way to get the second pea into, and then out of play.
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For those not familiar with the gimmicked 'Chip Stack', head on over to: >> If right you win, wrong you lose<< where I just posted a bit about 'em.


http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=190

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That's not the "Sheets Stack" that was being discussed, it looks like a copy of Bob Sheets idea though.

The actual product here: http://scoundrelsstore.com/product/sheets-stack-bob-sheets/
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On May 25, 2018, Mr. Bones wrote:
That's not the "Sheets Stack" that was being discussed, it looks like a copy of Bob Sheets idea though.

The actual product here: http://scoundrelsstore.com/product/sheets-stack-bob-sheets/


That’s a really poor photo of the stack. The stack itself looks like a stack of chips. Really a nice looking prop.
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On May 25, 2018, jakeg wrote:

That’s a really poor photo of the stack. The stack itself looks like a stack of chips. Really a nice looking prop.

It's not a very good photo, and it's not the type of chips Bob's using in 2018:

The Sheets Stack I've long had, and what they look like now is:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S16107
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The Loose Chip Stack is different than the Sheet Stack, they are not a copy. They work totally different with high-quality chips.

They do not have to be used with a magnetic pea and the chips are not glued together, into a stack. I have the Loose Chip Stack that "Stperformer" is talking about and they are Great!

I got the Loose Chip Stack at http://www.3shells.com/

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On May 25, 2018, benhart wrote:
The Loose Chip Stack is different than the Sheet Stack, they are not a copy. They work totally different with high-quality chips.
They do not have to be used with a magnetic pea and the chips are not glued together, into a stack. I have the Loose Chip Stack that "Stperformer" is talking about and they are Great!
I got the Loose Chip Stack at http://www.3shells.com/
Benhart


The word "copy" doesn't mean what you think it means.

But thanks for the info.
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Like I posted in >> If right you win, If wrong you lose << Of course, the operator of any trick is the most important. But the product is also important. That is what I like about 3shells/com. Al thinks outside the box. Makes up something completely new or he makes something old new with a different twist, that surprises others. That they can't figure out. Also, the quality is always there. Plus great service.

To each his own.

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Question to the group: if you are performing for more than one person, i.e., a group, should you have two people bet on 2 of the three shells and you get the third? Or just one bet and you turn over the other two. I know its likely just a preference thing. If one person is betting, kind of same question...should he bet on two of the three shells? I have watched several of the above mentioned routines and understand what they do, but I am curious as to what you all think. I see more byplay with bets on two shells, but is that overkill? After all, first bet is an honest attempt to find pea, second bet is just a guess. That is what is bothering me here.
Next...if you put one to the side and play with two shells, should bets be placed on two shells? Idea is pea ends up under shell placed to the side.
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I prefer using 1 person, 1 choice, particularly because I do not like presenting it as a magic trick.
Everybody watching knows that you are moving the pea around. There’s no secret. After the first phase, it just becomes a game of hide and seek.
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Recalling Frank Garcia showing the shells long ago - and Bob Sheets not so long ago... brings focus down to:

How you are engaging the audience? If they buy into the premise of the con * The shell game elicits an intense focus on the imagined pea and an impulse to grab for the shell. Do you want them grabbing at the shells on cue - to confer about where to bet ... that's a whole lot of dynamics that changes the timing and and focus of your routine. Is that pea going to be a callback item found in odd places later on in your tricks?

If you give them chips to play and the pile is down to two you have a moment where you could play two of the audience against each other then blow off the choice by letting them each pick one.
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I have to agree that the "Phil Cass" routine is possibly the very best on the market as far as learning psychology and making the spectators actually "feel" the routine with the wording of making them think they "really" have money to lose or win. It is some very deep thinking on his part. Then, at the time he made the video, the final reveal is one for the ages. That said, I am mostly talking of the psychology of the effect.

I also own the Bob Sheets "Boot Camp", SFS "Shell Game" and "Scoundrels Touch (2 dvd set) which are top quality routines, drills, modular moves to make the routine your own (preferably after you get the "Boot Camp" routine down EXACTLY AS TAUGHT before going on.

As far as props, I own a nice set of SFS Street Shells and Bottle Caps. 2 complete sets of "Perfect Peas" and recently picked up the Leo Smetsers "Workers Set" (the white hard hats that come in a metal "lunch bucket") For an incredibly low sale price in a recent "big sale" (only $20 shipped first class) I was very happy to snag it that cheap. It comes with 2 orange peas (I call oranges from their lunch bucket) they are similar to a perfect pea but not as smooth although they work absolutely wonderfully. He also has a nice routine.
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I like the Garcia routine as it's quick and to the point, and I do like the glass over the shell ending. For me, too many phases/moves ruins it.
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I preferred playing it as a gambling game, and once the shells show up on the table, the only piece that creates more excitement is Fast & Loose. (Somewhere in the top 5 are the sponge bunnies. Smile
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(Longish Post - sorry Smile )

It really is the golden age of shell game ephemera and documentation.
With the Cass video, the SFS videos, Bob Sheets videos (and his appearance on the second SFS video), the Garcia book, and all the older books around ... there's no lack of quality information.
The SFS .pdf files are probably the most comprehensive look at the shells ever assembled.

Also, Al at 3Shells is making a broad selection of shells and accessories, with his shells available in an amazingly wide array of styles.
SFS continues to make their line of shells as well, along with quite a few other makers.

Michael, IMO you are better served by involving only one spectator at a time.
Bob Sheets used his chips to control the play (as I noted above), making sure only one spectator is guessing at a time.
I think involving multiple spectators at once, and having one bet on a shell, and then offering up another bet to another spectator before dispatching the first spectator would get confusing over time, and ultimately leave the spectator not clearly understanding what it is you want of them, and what the clear goal of the game is.

In a nutshell (see what I did there), the spectator starts to lose track of whether they're playing against you, or playing against the other player (or players).

A soft racket that is crystal clear to the spectator (I'm going to move these shells, and you have to point to the one covering the pea) ... works best IMO.

Having said all of that, there certainly are situations in the actual con, when using shills, where the operator will get "players" competing with each other, but that competition is to inspire the player to get out his money, and if primarily a competition where the player offering the highest bet is the player that actually gets to play.
It is, however, heavily leaning towards the actual use of shills in the con, which is something that (unless you're doing a straight up expose) can be incredibly difficult to bring into a Shell Game designed for entertainment.
Shills are not clearly understood by your spectators, and trying to explain the multitude of "things" they do, things that make the Shell Game an actual con game ... trying to explain that element of the shills and their use in the shell game could take hours, if not days.

Michael, have you seen the School for Scoundrels video footage of Gambling Sam From Vietnam?
"Sam" was a real top and ball worker, and the footage is of him working a huge crowd at a festival of some sort. IMO it's the very best video record available showing a master operator and his cadre of shills. I'd watch it, and take inspiration from what you see.
Sam's not with us any longer, but School for Scoundrels did a deal with his family to make sure this video was properly archived and kept available.
Despite the fact that it doesn't teach anything ... it's the best video (bar none) one could possibly watch if one was interested in developing a shell game routine for demo or entertainment.
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Thanks for all your wonderful suggestions.My routine is developing nicely, just scripting it now
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Question, with the glass over the shell ending, does it tiptoe the shell demo into the magic realm? I know it can be explained away, but...
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Tom, I think it does,but by that time, the specs know that you are moving the pea around, and they are trying to catch you. The glass makes such a perfect ending, that in my mind, it doesn’t matter what they think. It’s really a “how in the hell did he do that “ moment..
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I agree Jake, it's strong. It can easily be explained as part of the shell game for a "clever operator wanting the cash."
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