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Terrible Wizard
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So, I guess for many here you eschew any form of gaff or worked card, but I wonder how many embed a l*cator card of some variety to help out with your material? For those who usually do sleight heavy work, what are your thoughts on secret utility cards?

I'm interested to know what (and preferably why) some of you use, or deliberately avoid, using hidden gaffs amongst your decks.

I've experimented with th*ck cards, l*ng cards, sh*rt cards and various cr*mps, but I find it hard to get used to having them in the deck - I'm not really sure why; whether it's psychological or affects the handling physically. Does anyone else not feel totally comfortable with these?

My favourites are the sh*rt and breather cr*mp, but I'm not (as yet) convinced to keep these in my decks all the time - I seem to go through phases of using them, then leaving them aside, and then using them again etc. I probably need convincing one way or the other, lol Smile

I also like messing around with other gaffed cards too, especially M*rked decks, but again I'm never wholly at ease when using them - either because I subconsciously worry about getting busted, or because I worry about their cost and wrecking them, or something else I cant put my finger on. I seem to worry less using a subtle o*ne-way deck, but they seem a lot less versatile and powerful. Do any other card guys here regularly use a MD/o*e-way deck without feeling awkward? Is it a big advantage?

For those who usually do sleight heavy work, what are your thoughts on secret utility cards?
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I corner short a couple jokers and use them in my deck from time to time on the fly. I have a couple decks where I have a regular card corner shorted and I also use scalloped cards. Combining the two to do "Tuned Deck" work. I forget where I read it but someone suggested using a corner short on the first card of a memdeck and a scallop on card 27 so you can get to positions quicker. I also use breathers in a few different ways.
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I make a thick card with the Jokers. That way you can take it out of the deck most of the time but leave it in if you need it.
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I have a breather cr**p in every deck. Makes getting a freely chosen card to the top a breeze.
Terrible Wizard
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It's interesting that a couple of you mention putting work into a joker - so as to be able to legitimately take it out when you want/need to.

But when do you ever need to?

J Christensen:
If I may ask, do you always use the cr*mp card as a control utility? Or do you mix it up with SOH controls? And do you find that the breather inhibits any other SOH you do?
Mike Powers
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Breather with an e*g* mark.

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I use a bottom-cutting breather all the time - it's made magic a lot more fun for me, I can get on with the trick itself with far fewer worries. The more you play with it, the more uses you might find for it. I've found it very easy to work around too, much less trouble than corner shorts or thick cards (for a DL or if a card is reversed, etc. - but it's part of the fun to plan out a trick with a bit of forethought, of course - keeping track of your locator).

I also have a corner-marked card in my deck, which is also handy. Does not cause any problems with other sleights, as it is only marked. For certain tricks it's quite useful.
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Seems like a cr*mp is very popular Smile

I like the idea of the e*ge mark, Mike - Is that to doubly ensure a 'hit' on the cut? Or some other reason.

Carlyle- do you sp*t corner m*rk, or p*nch, and what uses do you find for a single card like that?
Mike Powers
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If a breather is close to the top or bottom and you don't know that, you can easily miss the cut. The mark shows you where it's located.

The mark can also be used independently from the breather. A proper e*g* mark will be barely visible in a squared deck. I don't recommend ink as the mechanism. It's more of a nick.

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I use the same as Mike Powers in most of my casual decks, although occasionally I add just a little more work to the cr*mped card.
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Cheers for the extra info Mike, makes good sense Smile
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Sometimes the simplest tools can be the most handy.

I often use both breathers and corner shorts.

Breathers for tabled work and corner shorts when standing.

Not needed but can be very handy at times to have the tools available.

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My paradigm concerning method is largely informed by Annemann who argued that (paraphrasing) "effect is everything, method be ***ned. In Marlo's wonderful book "The Cardician" there is a brilliant routine that I use in my work called One Hand Control. It uses two crimps! Martin Nash, one of magic's greatest card men invented the Infinity Crimp and if it works for someone of HIS skill than I da** well will use it! Paul Curry's "Touch" is a VERY strong routine and uses gaffs. I performed a signed card to impossible location by Jim Lee. It is clean and the effect on the punters is powerful. Derek Dingle created two superb variants for MacDonald's Aces. I could go on for pages to illustrate that many of the world's greatest cardmen understand that gaffs are powerful tools. I see in this thread a lot of guys I respect and you've read their thoughts.

All of that being said, your repertoire should have a healthy number of routines that can be done anywhere, anytime. So, in addition to a gaffed MacD's Aces, I also have Peter Marshall's Rock and Roll Aces which is completely FASDIU.

What is most important in performance magic? To entertain and to create the illusion for our audiences that the impossible IS possible. And some very strong routines require gaffs. I will do almost anything to maximize impact of effect and if the routine play strongly, it's part of my repertoire. Audiences should never be able to tell the difference between no gaffs ad gaffs. Both should appear the same, that is to say, method should be opaque in all cases.

I mentioned Paul Curry's "Touch" earlier in my post. While there ARE no gaff versions of this routine, I prefer Curry's original because it stuns audiences. Any David Regal fans around? YOU know that David Regal has no qualms whatsoever about using gaffs and he is one Hell of a sleight of hand guy.

Poof-Daddy mentioned "Tuned Deck" work. Routines using this principle are beautiful. If you have Greater Magic, study the chapter on the Tuned Deck. Richard Kaufman announced that later this year there will be a Greater Magic reprint so there's no excuse not to study the Tuned Deck.

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"Vlad"
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Are we really thinking it’s too much of a reveal to use the words “short” or “crimped”? If anyone is reading this they have a quasi right to at least hear these words. It’s not like we’re giving away some top secret thing here, is it? Granted, I wouldn’t explain or point out such things during a trick, but can’t we even say those words in this format? Besides, using asterisks to hide a letter doesn’t really accomplish anything.
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