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WojciechW New user Poland 8 Posts |
Hi,
I just made my first contribution to the world of magic F-16 is new method for number forcing, most probably it is new principle (info from Shaun Dunn). It is method-as-effect, without any hidden elements, so it's extremely deceptive. It's pure math and the best part is all choices are totally free! Volunteer chose any numbers she like (100% free choices), makes some simple calculations and... you already know her final number! Without peeking or any question asked! This IS real magic, made by The Math itself! I'm very interested in your opinion, you can see demo performance here: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/10231 I prepared 3 effects using this method, but you can easily create your own. NUMEROLOGY PREDICTION
Performer never sees/hear/ask for anything. No gimmicks or stooges, 100% math. Effect can be easily extended to calculate and predict different numbers. SIMPLIFIED PREDICTION
Performer never sees/hear/ask for anything. No gimmicks or stooges, 100% math. Effect can be easily extended to calculate and predict different numbers. MIND-READING
Mentalist never sees/hear/ask for anything (except in step 2 where equivoque can be used to force last operation, but this is alternative handling). Effect can be easily extended to calculate and read different numbers. I hope you will enjoy this method as much as I do! |
Maxyedid Special user Panama 843 Posts |
Interesting!
Can you give a review copy??
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WojciechW New user Poland 8 Posts |
Check your PM
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1117 Posts |
Hmm, ciekawe
Mike |
Maxyedid Special user Panama 843 Posts |
Hi!
I received a review copy! This is not easy to review... because what the ad says it is exactly that 😀 It is a mathematical principle that will allow you to predict a number One particular thing caught my attention, and that is the production. This is SO well produced I could only wish other products were as well explained and complete as this one. You get a video in english, with captions and notes whenever they are needed to clarify, plus a PDF plus the templates needed to perform the effects! The two effects included are 1) a spectator fills a numerology chart. They then make some calculations to arrive at their special number and you show that you have predicted that number, and 2) an effect that reminds me a surrealist creativity exercise, where one person writes something on a paper, folds it and passes to another person who continues writing. This is similar but with numbers. Each person tears the last row from the paper and continues writing until they reach your prediction. Both effects are very well justified. Limitations: they obviously involve mathematics and process driven effects. You need obviously the proper atmosphere and audience ie, people who can follow correctly instructions of a mathematical nature. Any question at your orders, Maxi
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
First of all the disclaimers:
DISCLAIMER 1: I didn’t pay for this product I was given a copy to review. DISCLAIMER 2: I have a lot of the books on Maths Magic [Harry Lorayne, Fulves, Gardener] – and out of those books I have 4 or 5 effects that I use [or have used]. But always as lead in effects, to a more major seemingly maths based effect. So I am interested in a certain type of Maths effects that work for my persona, and for my type of spectators. This project – doesn’t seem to be a fit for me. I will explain why further down. But out of the hundreds of Maths Magic I have read, only 5 or so of them have ‘made the cut’ for my performance needs/style. REVIEW: It has the bold claim of being based on a new principle. How often do you get a release with a new method… I would suggest not very often. Though this is based on two things – that are totally known – and spoken in the same breath. It is not some new discovery. It is known. It is taught, about how these things interact with each other. But I have read many [but nowhere near all] of the books on magic with numbers. And I have never heard of any effect that uses the F-16 process. So although I can’t be authoritative on the matter, I would think it is very likely to be a brand new principle and method for a magic effect. But how well known is it [in the wider world] – I would say [in my opinion] hardly anyone knows about the one thing, working in such a ‘golden’ way. Even maths teachers would mostly not ‘know’. At one point Wojciech says, ‘here’s a simpler version, but some people might be able to work out what you are doing’ – hmm, I think he’s too close to the project – as I don’t think very many [if any] people would work it out from the simpler method. I just think he knows the principle and so it seems more obvious to him. So it’s a new principle. It’s deceptive. You do get a great package. Not just the principle taught, you get three routines, and templates so you can just print out the sheets you will give to the spectators. This is on video and many PDFs. The reasons I won’t use this are: The process is too long for me You can only do this once for each audience This will fit anyone who does reading type shows. As you can spend some nice time with the specs putting in all the numbers. But the trade off – for the specs truly able to put any numbers in, is the process is too long [for the weight of the reveal] for the shows I do. But when you are sat there, and you make a prediction on the persons personal number… and then all the way through they are choosing numbers for x, or y… and that journey brought them to what you predicted they would get to. Should work well. If I was going to work this, for the stage, I would use the number that’s forced for another effect… so there’s a disconnect from the process… so they have that number, that I can’t possibly know as they have put all the numbers in and done everything… now can they turn to that page of a book… and of course I have memorized that page. Or better still – have five books, real books – they can choose any of them. And I have memorized that page of all of them. That’s just one way. But I would use it somehow for another effect. If I were teaching maths – I would get this straight away. Not only can you fry the students brains… but then you can talk about the two principles… yikes exposure… but at least they would remember the two things this is based on… so bad magician… but good teacher SUMMING UP: It’s not for me. The package is outstanding. It’s only $7.77 currently. If you like to do ‘story’ effects, where the spec goes on a journey and uses their own personal choices all the way through… Then maybe it’s for you. It really is a good product, but just as 99.9% of effects are not right for any performer, it doesn’t fit me. If it fits you then you have a full package. If you have questions let me know |
NeverMind Loyal user Right up there. On the stage. 279 Posts |
Ok, I bought this one. It is fairly good, imo. But I'll be performing it under certain circumstances only - which is rare.
Downsides are lengthy process and non-repeatable. Pros - it does play well in the right circumstances. Good value for money. Bottomlone - recommended if you like math effects.
It is better to be trusted than liked.
Under promise. Over perform. |
WojciechW New user Poland 8 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2018, The Duster wrote: Yesterday, I have tested this on on one elementary school math teacher. She wasn't able to work out the method, but she didn't spend much time on it. So, maybe my worries are unnecessary. Quote:
That is great idea! Thanks a lot. Quote:
I would be honored if F-16 could help in math teaching. I was thinking about making a presentation for the students. Can anyone suggest age of the students for the best trick perception and learning effect? If any teacher is here and want to see if F-16 can be used in your lessons please PM me. |
Magic NAO New user 68 Posts |
I happen to be a teacher (Computer Science and Mathematics, university level), and Wojciech was kind enough to provide me with a review copy. Due to work related reasons I have not yet found the time to take a look at the material, but I hope to be able to do so over the weekend. I have some ideas about what the method could be, and I am curious to find out whether or not I am correct (and if I am correct, then I think this is definitely suited to help in teaching math). Once I have read through everything, I will let you know my thoughts. Many thanks, Wojciech!
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WojciechW New user Poland 8 Posts |
Hi,
just want to inform you, that in 7 days (on 12.06) F-16 will have new price ($20), so now is the last chance to get it dirty cheap ($7.77): http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/10231 Penguin reviews are stuck in their backlog, but they will reflect opinions from the above posts. One of them will have 4 stars, that's confirmed info Please ask if you have any questions. |
Magic NAO New user 68 Posts |
Sorry for the slight delay, here are my thoughts on this:
DISCLAIMER 1: After reading the ad copy and the previous reviews I became interested in this not only as a magician but also as a teacher. I asked Wojciech for a review copy, and he was kind enough to send me the material. So I did not pay for it (yet). DISCLAIMER 2: I am teaching Computer Science and Mathematics at our local university, and my type of magic presentations could be characterized as Science Magic Shows. Usually, in a show, certain scientific topics are touched and explained, and I use magic tricks to spice up the whole lecture and to make teaching and learning more interesting. To be clear, this is not about revealing (magical) secrets to the students. To give you an example, one of my show focusses on how to truly solve a Rubik's Cube, and as a surprise at the end the cube is also instantly solved by magic. In such a setting, doing certain mathematical calculations comes natural to the spectators, so my type and style of magic might not be representative for others. MY THOUGHTS: I have come across the principles used in F-16, but I have not yet seen them in combination used for a magic trick. I agree with all the positive points of the previous reviews. For all I know, this seems to be a new method in magic. It is based on two mathematical principles (which are closely related though many people might not be aware of this), and on a clever procedure (an algorithm) which veils the underlying mathematics. The material provided is truly great. Obviously, a lot of effort has been put into the preparation. The overall method is indeed very deceptive and it will work greatly in the right setting. Essentially, mathematical calculations are used to "randomize" an outcome while in truth they make the outcome deterministic and predictable. This works well because nowadays people are generally bad in doing or analyzing calculations in their head, and it is socially accepted to be "just not good with numbers". So for most of them it is just natural that mathematics confuses everything to the point of randomness. Do I think that the method can be figured out? Certainly not by the average spectator, as it is well hidden inside the suggested procedures. Do I think that a math teacher would figure this out? No. The underlying mathematical secret is very well disguised by the way it is applied (the algorithm). Do I think that a computer scientist could figure this out? Probably, as those guys are trained specialists in creating and/or dissecting algorithms, and the procedure has a certain element which is well known to programmers. But without a little knowledge of the underlying mathematics? I'd say no. Do I think that a computer scientist which a thorough background in mathematics could figure this out? Yes, or at least, she should be able to do so. Bottom line, my strong guess is that no spectator will have a clue how this works ;-) I will use this in the future, as it perfectly fits into what I am doing in my shows. I will slightly adapt the presentation to my needs, and I see certain potential to generalize the method a bit to probably even make it repeatable for the same audience. The trick can also greatly be used to explain and teach the underlying mathematics to students. So yes, I think this can definitely be of interest for teachers as well, if one is fine with revealing the secret. In summary, I recommend this to those who consider this type of trick to fit their style, and to those who consider mathematics to be fun. The early bird price is definitely a bargain. I will buy this now retroactively, as a token of respect to Wojciech for giving me a review copy without hesitation. This is only fair, as I am going to use this. Best regards. |
WojciechW New user Poland 8 Posts |
Thanks everyone for kind opinions on F-16.
I would like to ask you about how deceptive, in your eyes, is simplified variation of the method? Is it more "commercial", than regular version? Magic NAO: do you think simplified version is also as invisible as full F-16? Btw. little clarification: F-16 for $7.77 will be available until 18.06.2018 (there was bug in the date in previous post, but I can't edit it). |
WojciechW New user Poland 8 Posts |
Today is the last chance to get F-16 with lower price, enjoy.
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